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WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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Posted by
reyesuela z7a (
My Page) on
Thu, May 24, 12 at 0:18
| I picked up a couple of these on sale a few years ago for $2 a pop. They were advertised as being mounding, 3'x4-5'.
Really, they reach a maximum height of 3' and width of...indefinite! They are aggressive spreaders and will root any place an arching branch touches the ground. They scramble across flower beds.
They are gorgeous year-round. The smell of the winter-born yellow flowers in enchanting. They are best reserved for a slope where they can form a stunning groundcover with no other plants.
DO NOT plant these with other shrubs or with perennials. |
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RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Thu, May 24, 12 at 1:17
| Not I believe known elsewhere to be fragrant, including in my own experience. So I wonder if you are actually talking about something else, weeping forsythia perhaps. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Nope. Have weeping forsythia, too, which isn't exactly mannerly but can be contained. It was by my mailbox, and I could only smell it on certain warm days in winter when it really perked up. It caught me by surprise the first time. Winter jasmine blooms truly deep in the winter, 6 weeks or more before my forsythia. It loses all its leaves, but the arching branches stay green, and they are covered with these tiny yellow flowers that individually are pretty insignificant but together make quite a pleasing effect. I have to admit that I've never noticed my forsythia smelling nice, but I'm RIGHT next to the winter jasmine in bloom and a good 4-6' minimum from the forsythia, typically. But the jasmine is rolling up the carpets by the time the forsythia begins. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| i have no experience with these.. but my thought.. after the first sentence.. was to chuckle that ones reliance on the tag of a $2 bargain plant.. might be misplaced ... but all is well and good, if you are happy.. what else really matters ... ken |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by botann z8 SEof Seattle (My Page) on
Thu, May 24, 12 at 8:33
It's not the $2 plant that's the problem. As Reyesuela says, it's the location. In the right location, it's just fine.
A lot of people can benefit by this warning. Thanks, Reyesuela.
Mike |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Thu, May 24, 12 at 10:02
| Yes, I have been quite familiar with the plant for decades and now you are saying you can smell it only at certain times under certain conditions. At first you made it sound like it was a consistent feature. Currently I have it draping a concrete wall. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Got to say I've never noticed any smell from it either. Maybe we don't have sufficient winter sun to make it smell? It certainly looks good as a wall shrub where it can be kept under control. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Yeah, because when nurseries put a plant on clearance, they change to tag to make it inaccurate. *rolls eyes* I noticed the scent frequently because I got so close to it! I'm not all that sure if it has a scent when there are enough blooms on the stems of if the temperature helps release it... But because of where it was, that was a big attraction for the plant. When there are only a few blooms, there's no scent to speak of. But when it's really going, it definitely turns my head. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| I've always considered this to be an extremely ungainly shrub - hard to site and with no redeeming visual aspects outside of its limited winter bloom period. In milder zones, there are too many other winter blooming choices to make this high on the hit parade. And while scent is a very subjective sense, it is interesting to note that virtually every source you locate will indicate that, unlike the rest of its genus, winter jasmine has NO fragrance. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Weird. Maybe I have a freak! It definitely is scented for me. It's not like phlox or honeysuckle, that can knock your socks off from many feet away, but you notice it. I really like the extremely deep green color in full sun. I like the weeping look. I love the very fine texture--it's really quite neat. I like the way it looks when the leaves drop even without the blooms. I think it's a GREAT shrub, year round--if only it wouldn't expand so aggressively! If it's sited correctly, it maintains a VERY dense shape. It'll send up a few ungainly sprays that need pruning, but the density is quite remarkable overall, and so is the neatness of habit if you can rein it in naturally. If I had a decent place for it, it'd still have a home in my yard. It took over so badly because I just didn't want to get rid of it. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Oh, come on gardengal48, give WJ a break! If well trained against a wall it is a glorious and welcome sight in mid Winter and in the Summer it just recedes quietly and unobtrusively into the background. It is seldom grown as a free-standing shrub over here and doesn't seem to be considered a problem at all. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Winter Jasmine
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Sorry flora, but you're not gonna convince me that plant has a lot of great features :-) And I'd not consider it a problem per se.....at best, I'd consider it just an OK plant. To earn real estate in my or my clients' gardens, plants have to put forth an effort that rates them beyond the 'just OK'! No room for things to "recede quietly and unobtrusively". btw, I also include any shrubby potentilla in this group as well. OK in flower but nothing very redeeming about it outside of the bloom period. And downright ugly in winter!! |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Oh well - I clearly won't win this one! It must be what a person's used to. They are both widely used and loved here. WJ's habit of receding into plain green background makes it a perfect foil for fancy summer stuff. And as for Potentillas being ugly in winter, what is worse looking than a naked rose bush? Maybe they perform better in our climate? They flower from late spring right into autumn. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Tue, May 29, 12 at 16:19
| Shrubby potentilla is definitely worse looking during winter than a rose bush. Winter jasmine, on the other hand, has green young stems during winter, in addition to the flowers. And a habit with something going on - you'll never be able to drape a wall with a shrubby potentilla. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Weird how you seem to hate them over there. They are really popular here. Easy, pest and disease free shrubs well suited to our tiny gardens. Must be the climate. Maybe your stronger sun fades them? Maybe your hotter summers cause watering troubles? They look no worse in winter than any other small deciduous shrub. But again that may be because we have very little snow to flatten them. I pass many on my walk to work and they are smothered in bloom at the moment and will be for months. Though I agree some of the supposedly pink or red/orange ones are sometimes disappointing the whites, yellows and creams look great to me. Similar in habit, appearance and usage to Cistus. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Potentilla fruticosa
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| Flora, please don't misunderstand......they are very popular here as well, considering the large numbers we sell each year at the nursery. I just do not care for them at all, finding them to have minimal attraction when compared to all the other scads of smaller shrubs we can grow that have so many more features. They may be similar in habit and usage to cistus but waaaay behind in appearance!! At least cistus is evergreen and has an attractive presence in winter :-) |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Thu, May 31, 12 at 13:57
| The two of us responding here are writing from the Pacific Northwest, which is quite similar to Britain except for the precipitation not being so evenly distributed through the year. Shrubby potentilla often looks sodden and dead in winter, and like other small dense deciduous shrubs may collect debris that remains visible from the outside. Many cultivars also have issues with leaf rust and I think mites causing a noticeable diminishment of the foliage appearance in summer. It's yet another example of how things tend to be balanced with plants, for the long May to October bloom you get from this shrub you have to pay with it often looking utterly like it has died during the entire winter. Because of this I have seen it recommended that it be tucked in among evergreen shrubs and not planted in masses. A mistake seen repeatedly here is to place prominent groupings of them in conspicuous locations like entryways, which these then blight for months with their dormant season shabbiness. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| That is interesting bboy - as far as I know they don't get any pests or diseases to speak of here. And since the commonest style here is fairly dense mixed plantings of shrubs,perennial,trees and annuals they are pretty easy to minimise in the winter. Don't get the impression I am an aficionado, I was just surprised at the vehemence of the anti Potentilla feeling. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| I guess I can add a somewhat different perspective, coming from a cold winter climate. Basically, most people here just don't care what things look like in the winter, because for up to five months of the year, their either covered in snow, or most years, even if not, its so cold out no one pauses to look at them anyway. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 23:24
The plants are usually pest and disease free although some may be subject to powdery mildew in hot dry
conditions. Red spider mite occasionally attacks some plants |
Here is a link that might be useful: RHS Shrubby Potentilla Bulletin
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| bboy - I did say no pests and diseases 'to speak of' which to me is equivalent to 'usually pest and disease free'. Just seems to be a question of horses for courses. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 2, 12 at 13:13
| I see mildew pretty on them often here, they said "some" to indicate it depends on the cultivar. Same as with roses etc. This area has good conditions for mildew during summer, when the soil has dried out and fogs or dews are occurring. |
RE: WARNING: Winter jasmine/ jasminum nudiflorum
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| I think the PNW different conditions are a big factor in attitude to certain plants. Like denninmi, I'm in a colder area and I love my potetillas! As denninmi says, most winters they are buried in snow and bare deciduous shrubs are just not something that bothers me because they are just a normal part of the 'off season' life of the plants - and garden. One thing that struck me as a possible reason for the difference in attiude to winter jasmine, based on the picture Flora posted, is that there are a lot more of those lovely brick and stone walls over there than there are on this continent. Things that show nicely against that sort of background can look quite different against a wooden fence I think |
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