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| Kevin recommended this Viburnum as a heavy fruit setter in another thread. I looked it up on the internet and found pictures. It really looks great. I have a perfect spot for it already in my mind.
Although I found pictures, I couldn't find much information on fruit set. Does Onondaga set fruit well by itself? If not what would be the pollinator for it? I am thinking of getting two to plant side by side but if it needs a pollinator I can get one Onondaga and one something else. I looked in my fairweather gardens catalog and Onondaga was the only V. sargentii they had so I am wondering. |
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- Posted by treegrower z5OH (My Page) on Sun, Aug 3, 03 at 12:42
| viburnums do not need a pollinator Tim |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Aug 3, 03 at 14:24
| Ha Ha, Tim. Keep reading the forums around here. Most most certainly do although its not like male and female plants in hollies. |
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| Any other V. sargentii, V. trilobum, V. opulus, V. orientale, as long as they bloom at the same time, which all of the above do for me. |
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- Posted by sbeuerlein zone 6 (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 5:46
| This is the first year my V. Onondaga has set any fruit. I do not have V. trilobum, opulus, or orientale, but somebody in my neighborhood might. This is the first year my V. dentatum "Blue Muffun" bloomed, and it happened to be when my "Onondaga" did, so I'm wondering if it could have performed the deed. Also, this year I got fruit set on my "Shasta" for the first time. I happened to have a "Mariesii" in a pot nearby, which must have done the trick. Worthwhile too, for the stalks and berries on the "Shasta," were bright red and beautiful, albeit short-lived. Scott |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 9:58
| Scott- Did it bloom other years, or is this the first year it had fruit because it was the first year it bloomed? Kevin- I have not seen any other Cultivar of V. sargentii except 'Onondaga' so another sargentii clone might be difficult to get. |
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| Before I knew much about viburnums at all, but was searching for a very large shrub for a particular spot, I bought a V. sargentii 'Susquehanna' (12-15'x 12-15'). It has grown very well, is the first shrub to leaf out for me, and will surely be very large. I got mine from Appalachian Gardens in PA, but then they stopped selling retail. Perhaps you could fine it elsewhere, if you can use a shrub that large. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 11:38
| laceyvail-- Does your 'Susquehanna' set fruit? I am assuming that it is the only V. sargentii you have. |
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| In addition to 'Susquehana', there is a yellow-berried 'Flavum' variety. There is also a smattering of cultivars chosen by smaller nurseries that are somewhat locally sold. |
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- Posted by spec4lover z7 VA (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 16:23
| I bought a V sargetii Onondaga a couple of years ago and have enjoyed two years of lovely new foliage and stunning blooms. No fruit, though. I hadn't thought about the need for a mate for that one...... I've written before about my disappointment with the lack of fruit on my viburnum nudum 'Winterthur' and got suggestions from here to get a Viburnum cassionoides. I'm hoping it will do the trick within a couple of years. I DID have fruit this year on my Mariesii viburnum and another no-name doublefile that I got at a local nursery. The fruit was/is very striking---small red berries on short little stalks down the length of the limbs that flowered (only a couple of limbs flowered on each of the two bushes--perhaps too young...) Some are turning black now. Very impressive...I hope that it will be covered in blooms in future years... Now I'm wondering whether I should have had fruit set on the Chenaultii and the Mohawk... |
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| "Now I'm wondering whether I should have had fruit set on the Chenaultii and the Mohawk..." Look closely, and you might see a few. These two set fruit very sparsely. Keep a watch on your new V. cassinoides to see if it blooms at the same time as Winterthur. Mine don't overlap at all unfortunately. Your V. cassinoides may differ though. Another V. nudum thrown in just to make sure wouldn't hurt a thing! |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 21:17
| I found the following information on the Michigan State Website after I got the idea to do a web search just for V. sargentii instead of V. sargentii Onondaga. Hardiness Zones: 3 to 7 Comments: Sargent Viburnum is a large, oval shrub. The Cultivars: References for Cultivars: Spring Meadow Nursery 1999, Bailey |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 22:26
| Also found this information about Onondaga and Susquehanna from UCONN info website. 'Onondaga' - This U.S. National Arboretum introduction is the most popular form of the species in commerce. It is very unique in flower for a Viburnum, as the flat-topped flower clusters feature an outer ring of large sterile, white blooms. Most spectacular, however, is the central mass of small fertile flowers that are dull pink-maroon in color. The contrast between the large white florets and small pink buds/flowers makes for a unique appearance. The young foliage also emerges with a reddish overcast that remains slightly on older foliage. The plant is large and rounded to 8' tall. 'Susquehanna' - Another U.S. National Arboretum cultivar, this plant represents a selection of the species that is most notable for its heavy flower and fruit production. Other features are similar to the straight species. I also found this lovely picture of a Viburnum sargentii even the website is not in English, the picture is fabulous!! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Viburnum sargentii in fruit
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Aug 4, 03 at 23:19
| Found Susquehanna on Arrowhead Alpines shrub list. They also have Onondaga but claim its 'sparsely fruiting' (direct quote from website). |
Here is a link that might be useful: Arrowhead Alpines
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Aug 24, 03 at 12:04
| Unfortunately, I have not found 'Onondaga' locally. I have not decided yet if I am going to do a Fall order from Fairweather Gardens yet but will most surely do so in the Spring. Might have to wait until then to get them. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sat, Aug 30, 03 at 11:50
| I guess I will plan on the 'Wentworth' and the species trilobum to bloom at the same time and do the pollinating trick. I am only going to be buying the 'Onondaga's' next Spring so we wil see how it goes. |
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- Posted by Evanston_Gardener z5CHGO (My Page) on Sat, Aug 30, 03 at 12:09
| i planted 3 onondago last year and they had the most beautiful flowers and fruit this year. I kept looking at the flowers because they are so unusual--stunning even. I have 4 other viburnums, no other sargents though. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sat, Aug 30, 03 at 12:16
| What color is the fuit on the 'Onondaga'? Evanston- What other Viburnums do you have in your yard or area that could be doing the pollination? |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Sep 8, 03 at 16:38
| Got my ForestFarm Catalog on Saturday and have been looking at the Viburnums. They have V. sargentii "Susquahanna' which sounds really nice but might get too big for me.They also seem to have the species and one called calvescens. Not sure if that is a subspecies or Cultivar. Sounds like a good one. I am saving my V. sargentii ordering for next spring. |
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- Posted by david_5311 Z 5b/6a SE Mich (My Page) on Mon, Sep 8, 03 at 22:53
| I bought 2 Onandagas last spring on Kevin's recommendation. Unfortunately one kind of burned up for reasons which are unclear, though I think it will probably be fine. The other I still have in a pot, not sure yet where it is going. But I have to say that the combination of the emerging burgundy foliage with the flat topped white flower clusters and the reddish central flowers was truly among the loveliest shrubs I have ever seen in bloom, even as small plants. So it is getting a prominent spot. |
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| I planted two Onondangas and a Mohican this spring. The only other viburnums I have on my property are two older Cayuga viburnums. Both of the Onondangas are now covered with bright red fruit. I’m pleased with the Mohican, though the berries were sparse this first year (I counted only six of them on a 4 ft. shrub). The Onodangas are lovely in leaf, flower, and fruit. I intend to add several more next year. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Sep 14, 03 at 12:49
| Does the fruit stay red or turn blue/black such as on a type like 'Shasta' ? |
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| Stays red |
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- Posted by Viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Mon, Sep 15, 03 at 7:00
| Here, fruit will turn black when fully ripe, but the birds generally get it before then. The pedicels are still attractive reddish before they, too, dry and turn black. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Oct 5, 03 at 12:48
| Always glad to hear that the birds will be eating up the berries. I want my birds happy and I want to make it a bird berry buffet around here. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Nov 16, 03 at 15:15
| Bought two more V. trilobum 'Wentworth' at the local nursery half price sales this fall. Now I am thinking I should have gotten the V. sargentii Onondaga this fall to hopefully have blooms in the spring to pollinate and set berries on the V. trilobum. I am done puting stuff in this year, just have to start the craziness of planting again next spring. |
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- Posted by spec4lover z7 VA (My Page) on Tue, Nov 18, 03 at 12:46
| I did notice a couple of berries the other day on my Onondaga. They were black. Mine has had a strange growth pattern. Unfortunately, my husband unintentionally took off a branch it when it was smaller (he got a little too close with the lawn tractor and trailer). After that, it decided to grow straight upward and is over 6' tall but only about 3' wide. It has rewarded us well in the springtime with its burgundy foliage and the lovely flower buds and flowers. I would recommend it to anyone who enjoys interesting colors and textures in the yard. I looking forward to it filling out and I know that I could have pinched the stems and gotten more branching, but I thought it was better to let it and nature work on the form for now. I look forward to next year with my viburnums in the yard. This fall I added to the dozen or so that I already have by going to the 'on sale' area of an excellent nursery about 50 miles north of us. I bought a Wentworth v. trilobum (my first of that ilk--I DO hope that it will fruit for me...otherwise, I may be on the lookout for more...), a Viburnum bracteatum ‘Emerald Luster’, a couple of v. juddii, a Viburnum x rhytidophylloides 'Willowwood', 4 more Viburnum x rhytidophylloides and a Viburnum carlesii 'Aurora'. They are all in the ground and hopefully settling in well in their new homes. |
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| I am glad i planted a onondaga last spring, after reading all this. but it seems i need another variety for berries. If I plant trilobum, for example, in my front yard, while the onondaga is in the back, will this be okay? I mean, how close must they be? I do have a small garden, on the island of montreal. and what about my summer snowflake? does it also need cross-fertilization? |
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| That would be fine rebaru. Closer, of course, is better, but I have had heavy berry production with relatives far away. They should bloom at similar times. As for 'Summer Snowflake', don't worry about fruit production. Enjoy the extended flower show. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Tue, Feb 24, 04 at 14:49
| Well, I messed up as Fairweather had this in the Fall, and last Spring, I think, but they don't have it this spring. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Mar 28, 04 at 13:11
| Still on the wish list to get. |
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| I found this locally today and it is just beautiful! I hope it does well here. |
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- Posted by jeannette_wi z4WI (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 0:12
| I have V. Onondaga and I haven't had many berries because I don't have a pollinator. I'd like to get a V. opulus or V. trilobum, but they would have to be dwarf ones. Which cultivars of these would you recommend for dwarf size and good fruit production? |
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| newyorkrita, I don't know where you're located and if would be doable for you to travel but I was able to buy beautiful 'Onondaga' (in late fall) in Condursos which is in Morris county NJ. They do have pretty good selection of 4-5’ Viburnums. Peter P.S If you need directions, sent me an e-mail. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z7 NY (My Page) on Wed, Apr 14, 04 at 15:02
| Thanks, I will keep looking at the Long Island Nurseries this year. Maybe I will get lucky. I am deffinately going to add this Viburnum to my yard, it's just a question of when. |
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- Posted by Christie_SW_MO Z6 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 19, 04 at 14:13
| I found an Onondaga today at a local stand. I'm trying to decide where to put it. I had saved a spot between two trilobums for Wentworth (which I don't have) and now wondering if I should put Onondaga there. Would the trilobums outgrow it too much? They would be about 6 or 7 feet apart. Maybe it would get squished in the middle. I'm also wondering if the berries are edible. It might be confusing since the leaves are similar to trilobum. If I make jelly out of the berries will I croak? Hey Rita - I actually have a viburnum that you don't have yet! Amazing! lol - I would love to see your yard. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Thu, May 6, 04 at 18:36
| I guess I did get carried away with the Viburnums last year. Still, I am pretty much done collecting them. Onondaga is one still on my must have list to get plus I need to get a 'Huron' (V. dilatatum cross) to pollinate my 'Chipewa'. |
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- Posted by Viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Fri, May 7, 04 at 19:52
| There's no such thing as "getting carried away" when it comes to planting viburnums. That's like saying you've had too much chocolate (ow, Marianne just swatted me). Kevin is the guy to ask about what all the viburnum fruits taste like, esp. the northerly species. He's done the yuck testing. I don't have any luck with V. trilobum and its ilk here in KY, but I'm still trying (but haven't had the fruit to taste yet). I can only vouch for V. dilatatum fruit, which is tart but tasty in its large clusters in December. |
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| I too am enamored of the V. sargentii Onondaga as I have three of them sited in a grouping within a ten foot area. However, these beauties are possibly short lived as they are getting *bored* to death. Husband found two stems on one plant infected with the dreaded borer, of what kind we do not know. The telltale symptoms... wilt, holes in the base of the stems and the undeniable evidence the white grub itself. What's to be done as it is the middle of May and timing is so critical with these things. |
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- Posted by Greenthumb z4a, MN, USA (My Page) on Sun, May 16, 04 at 8:44
| Danmacbet, What state do you live in? (I hope it's not near me as I just purchased a V. s. 'Onondaga'). Kevin_5 or VV should be able to help you. They are the GW Viburnum gurus. |
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| I just saw a lovely Onondaga at the nursery but hesitated to buy it as I had never heard of it. I had to check here first to be sure it was as promising as I hoped . I will go back and get it for sure!!! It barely looked like a virburnum... it had a very delicate look and gorgeous tinted foliage and those flowers...like a lacecap hydrangea... Maybe I need to get 3.... Any special siting requirements to get that gorgeous tinted foliage (which I assume is only a spring thing)? |
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- Posted by Christie_SW_MO Z6 (My Page) on Mon, May 24, 04 at 17:57
| I have berries forming on my Onondaga now and my viburnum trilobums so it must've worked on pollinating them. The two viburnums are clones of each other and I only had one berry last year. |
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- Posted by arbo_retum z5 MA (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 04 at 0:01
| vib.onondaga is my fav. of all my vib's.along with shasta. do want to tell nyrita that both mine are 8-10 feet tall and 6 feet wide after 7 yrs. in full sun. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Wed, Jun 2, 04 at 18:00
| Humm.. 8-10 feet huh??? Good thing I have pruning shears. Yikes! Anyway, the spot I have picked out for it is more shady than sunny so maybe it won't grow as fast. Of course, I still have to find one. You would think they would have this one at some of the local nurseries but so far, no luck. |
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| I just picked up 3 'Onondaga' in one gallon pots at Lowes--$6.96 each, along with 'Mariesii' and 'Emerald Triumph'. A bargain! |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Sat, Jun 26, 04 at 17:13
| Kevin- I am jealous, our local Lowes has the worst Garden section. Forget getting anything there. Haven't seen them at Home Depot either although you never know what might show up there. The thing with Home Depot is that you have to go there every two days if you want shrubs because things come in and get sold out that quickly. Lately I just haven't been going there much so I am sure I missed things. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Sun, Aug 1, 04 at 15:09
| Christie- How is your Onondaga Viburnum doing? I still don't have one! Can you believe it, but I only bought ONE Viburnum this year, a fragrant Viburnum 'Dawn' that I got at the local Home Depot this Spring. |
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- Posted by Christie_SW_MO Z6 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 13, 04 at 16:21
| Rita - Surely you're starting to run out of room! My Onondaga was in a gallon pot when I bought it but it didn't have a lot of roots in there. It's put out some new growth though and should be big enough to make it through the winter. I'm anxious to see if it has good fall color. I think the new growth in the spring is supposed to be colorful too. It did a good job pollinating my trilobums for as small as it was. Next year should be even better. |
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- Posted by debbb zone 6B (beebedeb@juno.com) on Sun, Sep 5, 04 at 13:37
| My onadaga is really nice in spring but seems to be burned up by July. do they need shade? |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Wed, Oct 20, 04 at 11:52
| Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find an Onondaga at the end of the season sales. Now to hope that Fairweather Gardens carries it next Spring again as they have had it in the past but just not this season. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Wed, Jan 19, 05 at 13:55
| I am also wanting this so as a pollinator for my 'Wentworth' which did not set too much fruit this year. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Mar 14, 05 at 11:54
| I know I have really gone overboard on adding viburnums since I discovered them but this year my plan is to see what flowers and produces berries and then look for pollinators for any that need it. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Mon, Apr 18, 05 at 11:31
| Well, I never got a Fairweather Garden Catalog this Sring, in spite of the fact that I have spent much money there last year, so I STILL don't have an Onondaga. Bummer! |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 NY (My Page) on Sat, May 7, 05 at 19:01
| The viburnum wish list continues. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 LI NY (My Page) on Fri, Jun 3, 05 at 20:00
| And still continues. |
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| I'm seriously considering 'Onondaga,' as it is available at a local nursery, and I've heard nothing but good things about it. No one has answered my other post, so I will ask here: Will a V. Dentatum (I have 'Blue muffin' and 'Red Feather') cross-polinate with V. Sargentii? Even if the the V. dentatum is in the back yard, and the 'Onondaga' in the front yard? |
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- Posted by Viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Sun, Jun 5, 05 at 16:26
| LNMP: haven't seen your other post, but V. dentatum and V. sargentii are not good partners, and may not even overlap in bloom times. V. sargentii is most similar to V. trilobum and V. opulus, so cultivars/clones of those two species (or another different clone of V. sargentii) would be your most appropriate choice. Blue Muffin and Red Feather are good partners to give you heavy fruiting on your V. dentatum. |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 LI NY (My Page) on Tue, Jul 12, 05 at 22:02
| I still want one but maybe I don't need one of these as badly as I thought I did as my Wentworths did set berries this year for the first time. |
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- Posted by Viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Sat, Nov 26, 05 at 17:37
| Well, Rita? Did you get the long-sought after fruit? And/or did you just dispense with the idea of procuring a V. sargentii 'Onondaga'? There are more clones out there to be had. In fact, despite the generally poor performance of this group in the humid high soil temperature south, I now have both V. s. 'Chiquita' and V. s. 'Flavum' ensconced in the Viburnum Valley collection. I thought I had 'Onondaga', but it turned out to be a mislabeled member of the V. dilatatum clan, probably 'Oneida'. I expect to get 'Onondaga', 'Susquehanna', and 'Calvescens' in the future, to round out the collection. I have V. trilobum Redwing now also, to add to the intrigue. God willing and the bunnies don't rise, I'll have blooming plants in the spring. |
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- Posted by viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Sun, Jan 15, 06 at 19:00
| bump |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6/7 LI NY (My Page) on Tue, May 16, 06 at 13:24
| The Wentworths did set some fruit last year. First time ever. They are all starting to flower now and my V. Opulus is going to flower heavily for the first time ever. Its slightly behind the Wentworths though, so I hope it all works out. I am going to have to bite the bullet this winter and order from Forest Farm if Fairweather doesn't have the Viburnums that I still need (including this one). |
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- Posted by newyorkrita z6b/7a LI NY (My Page) on Sun, Jun 17, 07 at 19:05
| I still haven't gotten one and this one plus a pollinator for my Chipewa V, are the last of my wish list. |
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- Posted by arbo_retum z5 ,WinchstrMA (My Page) on Sun, Sep 14, 08 at 14:19
| we have a few babies up here in boston if you're up this way. email cottonarboretum@comcast.net best, |
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- Posted by kari_flowers 4 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 14, 10 at 0:38
| This is a very old thread, but in case anyone is still looking for another sargentii to cross pollinate their Onandaga, try a Viburnum Sargentii Chiquita, its a smaller sized one. I got one and its very cute so far. ... I ordered Onandaga and the nursery shipped the wrong viburnum...a popcorn! So now my Onandaga is on its way, and hopefully will make the winter, its small they say. |
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| Mine always looked burned up by fall. What are its water requirements? I suspect it needs full, full sun. Very few berries after growing 6 years and having lots of viburnum cousins in the area. |
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| I have a lovely new Viburnum 'Onondaga' and found this thread because I was wondering what to buy for a pollinator. After reading this thread, I am wondering why I shouldn't buy a second 'Onondaga' and use it as a pollinator, instead of having to buy a different cultivar or a related species??? |
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- Posted by viburnumvalley z5/6 KY (My Page) on Sun, Jul 17, 11 at 23:41
| You need to get a different plant that is related - not an identical clone - to achieve quality cross-pollination. If you have 'Onondaga', then 'Chiquita' is a good partner. |
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