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How much shade for witch hazel?
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Posted by corrigan 6, TN (My Page) on Wed, Dec 19, 07 at 16:06
| I'm moving to a new house and I'm wondering if I can plant a witch hazel (virginiana) in what seems like pretty dense shade. The house is in another state, so I haven't really had a lot of time to analyze the light situation, but there are only a couple places I could put it. One would be in full sun, which I've heard is a bad idea. The other would be in what I think is almost full shade - the north side of some huge maples. Will either one of those work? |
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RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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- Posted by bboy z8 WA USA (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 20, 07 at 13:33
| One way to judge is to look at existing plantings or wild specimens on other sites in the region. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| To paraphrase Bboy's comment, see what else is growing in the shade under the maples. It may be that the previous owners kept the undergrowth down, didn't plant anything or tried to have lawn, but if there are other things growing, then you could have a fairly good idea as to how much light actually is getting through. If the lawn is struggling, then you will have to decide if the problem is the shade or the competing tree roots. Maple trees, as you probably know, are pretty greedy feeders, and can make it hard for other plants to establish themselves under them, due to the rampant root growth, close to the surface. Different maples are more or less greedy and have more or less thick roots, so knowing what the maples are could help. The trees/shrubs that naturally grow as understory trees, like witch hazels can compete with reasonable root growth, but would have a hard time, as would anything, fighting with a Norway maple, for instance. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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- Posted by bboy z8 WA USA (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 20, 07 at 21:44
| I was talking about other, existing examples of the witch hazel: to get a feel for where it can be planted and succeed at where it is growing already. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| Oh... OK. I guess my suggestions/comments stand alone then. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| Hmm, I've got one witch hazel in full sun, one close to the southwest side of my house, where it gets sun most of the day, and one just on the northeast edge of the dripline of (and in the shade of) of a huge norway maple. None are H. virginiana, they're all hybrids, but I believe the light requirements are the same. The ones in more sun have longer and better bloom - that may be a function of the different varieties though. The Missouri Botanic Garden web site says "full sun to part shade" for H. virginiana. I wouldn't plant one under a maple, personally, unless I was in the south or southwest. The difference between tolerating shade and requiring it is pretty big. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Missouri Botanic - H. virginiana
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| I would also consider the water available at the planting location. My witch hazels do best with regular watering in any dry weather. Their dirt is somewhat clay, so they have long lasting moisture if they have rain or are watered. If they don't get enough water, the leaf edges dry out, they don't set flowers. Around a maple, I don't think the witch hazel will get enough water, to do as well as it should. Maples are pretty greedy about water. My witch hazels are in dappled shade. One get some afternoon sun, real late in the day. The other is shaded lightly almost all day, by taller oak trees. Both have good leaves, are growing in size. The one I can reach with the hose, does better, with more water quantity in dry times. The other only gets the horse bucket dumped on it during dry times, maybe a couple gallons every other day or so. I have several bushes that may need water way out there, so they share buckets. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| I didn't mean to imply that witch hazels thrive in deep shade, just that they can grow there, if unhappily. They do better with partial, dappled shade or with AM sun, at least in the south, from what I can tell, although Southern Living Garden Book says they will grow in full sun.... Flowering would certainly be better with more sun - and the flowers ARE the point of witch hazels, after all. If there is shade, however much, in the planned planting area, from early afternoon on, then I think the witch hazel will do fine. And if you can water it as needed, and mulch well around it when you plant it, it should be fine, shade or not. I would agree with Goodhors, that many maples will use all the available water. Knowing what the maples are would help in knowing if a witch hazel is a good choice for the location, but on thinking about it, and not knowing what it is, I would be inclined to say "no, don't do it". |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| There was a similar question a few months ago. This was indigenous to my lot ans only thos in part shade had seed pods indicating that they had bloomed tge previous fall. Those in more shadegrew, but had not flowered. At the local nature center there is a largegroup in a southwest exposure thatare spectacular in October. if you wantbloom they need someexposure to sun. |
RE: How much shade for witch hazel?
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| Yes, definitely sun in the north for best bloom and fall foliage color but not sure in the south. |
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