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| While I was in Richmond Heights picking up free leaves from that wonderful municipality's Park Operations department, someone told me that Shaw Park in Clayton has free compost. So afterwards I drove to Shaw Park and filled a big plastic garbage bag with their compost. Someone at Shaw Park who was also collecting the compost said it is compost made from leaves. You can see stringly leaf remnants in the compost.
But I have to wonder what the park folks used as their nitrogen source: grass clippings, manure, or, shudder the thought, municipal sewage waste (aka biosolids)? When I brought the plastic garbage bag of free compost home and placed it in the garage with the plastic bag opened at the top for air, within 20 minutes my garage was stinking up a storm. Oh my gosh. It smells kind of like doo doo, not exactly but similar. I've read that biosolids smell like doo doo. I sure hope they didn't use treated sewage waste as their nitrogen source. Hopefully they used horse manure or grass clippings or something like that. Or maybe their compost became all anaerobic? Maybe they never turned it for aeration, so the anaerobic bacteria took over? I really don't know which scenario above accounts for the deep doo doo smell. The smell remained on my fingers for many hours, even after washing with soap, and of course, it's still smelling up the garage. I'm worried about using this compost for my lawn and garden now. Can compost made with grass clippings smell that bad if it goes anaerobic? Like I said I sure hope biosolids wasn't used as the nitrogen source. I would prefer anaerobic compost to compost derived from biosolids. If you live in the St. Louis area and need some free compost for your own home use, please consider driving to Shaw Park in Clayton. Let me know what you think about this compost. (From Brentwood Avenue turn onto Shaw Park Drive and go past the tennis courts and past the baseball diamond until you see the compost.) Another thing about their compost is it's still steaming and hot. When you dig into their pile you can see steam rising up. Insert your hand a couple inches, and you can feel the heat. The compost is a dark color and crumbly. What does the steaming hotness say about the possible nitrogen source, if anything? Thanks very much. |
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- Posted by joepyeweed 5b IL (My Page) on Tue, Jan 17, 12 at 12:33
| It is possible to have compost with no manure in it to smell like poo. Is there someone at the Park District you can ask for the ingredients in their compost? |
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| Perhaps the compost is made almost entirely from leaves? Our municipal compost site gets almost all leaves in the fall. The last day it was open this past December, the semi-decomposed center of the big pile was steaming away. I bring home bags of leaves all fall, and sometimes they are stinky. I figure it's either plant matter starting to decompose, or maybe somebody raked up some dog doo with their leaves or something. I'm not storing them in the garage, they are outside overwintering! Grass clippings can smell just like crap when they go anaerobic! |
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- Posted by strobiculate none (My Page) on Tue, Jan 17, 12 at 15:22
| Yeah, you got stuff that's cooking. That's all. Air it out, mix it up a little, there will be no problems. We once had a problem with a forage wagon and the chopped hay sat inside for a few days while we waited for parts. By the time we finally got the wagon fixed, it was all we could stand to just dump the load in the pasture. Ever go to a nursery that sells bulk mulch, especially the fine shredded hardwood? Go there early in the morning, especially on crisp mornings after a few days of warm weather. Gotta love the smell of mulch in the morning. |
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- Posted by nevermore44 (My Page) on Tue, Jan 17, 12 at 17:46
| Try to hunt the operations manager down and ask. Unless the site is close to other "free" nitrogen sources (manures, biosolids, etc).. I would doubt that they would take the time (equals money) to mix the two components to speed up the decomposition process... especially when they are giving it back out for free. When i have collected shredded leaves from the site close to me, the hug pile of freshly shredded leaves will steam away once you dig in a bit... not the best smell.. but i wouldn't say it's bad. |
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| I had a truckload of tree chippings from a large mango tree delivered a few months ago. It took over a week to move it from my driveway and spread it in my back yard. I can tell you this, after a couple of rains, that pile smelled REALLY bad in the center of it :-) The stink went away after I spread it about 6-8" deep. On the positive side this is the second load I had delivered in the last year or so and EVERYTHING is growing
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- Posted by nevermore44 (My Page) on Wed, Jan 18, 12 at 8:24
| Try to hunt the operations manager down and ask. Unless the site is close to other "free" nitrogen sources (manures, biosolids, etc).. I would doubt that they would take the time (equals money) to mix the two components to speed up the decomposition process... especially when they are giving it back out for free. When i have collected shredded leaves from the site close to me, the hug pile of freshly shredded leaves will steam away once you dig in a bit... not the best smell.. but i wouldn't say it's bad. |
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| Nevermore wrote: > Try to hunt the operations manager down and ask. I'll try to talk with someone in person. I didn't have much luck by phone. Guess I'll have to drive over there again today. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Wed, Jan 18, 12 at 12:42
| Whatever's in it, it obviously isn't done, but with some air and turning it should be OK. |
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| I was informed over the phone by Clayton's Public Works Department that the free compost available in Shaw Park does NOT have any sewage sludge (aka biosolids) in it. It is just leaves, the knowledgeable-sounding rep said when I asked if there was a nitrogen component like grass clippings, manure, or sludge. The compost is just decomposed leaves from Clayton's residential leaf collection program. They vacuum up the leaves curbside. I think the leaves decomposed for about 2 years. By the way, I moved that stinky compost outside to the vegetable garden from the garage yesterday. All is well in the garage now - Lol. I'm guessing the unfinished compost may have gone anaerobically stinky while sitting in the plastic garbage bag with only the top of the bag open for air. The compost was wet inside the bag. So now it's getting a lot of air outside to turn aerobic again. If the compost had been finished, maybe it wouldn't have gone stinky anaerobic--not sure though. Incidentally, the Clayton rep did say that he wasn't certain, but compost from the cities of St. Peter's and St. Charles might have sewage sludge in it. Oh, joy for them. |
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| Stuff that is smelly and stinky is not good compost and is not something you should get for your garden. Material put together to be composted should never have any odor other than that od good, rich earth from the beginning to the end. If it has any offensive odor there is a problem with the mixture. But, always walk away from what someone is selling as compost if it is "smelly and stinky" even if it is free. |
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| I'm not sure, but I think the leaf compost in the park was Not smelly and stinky to begin with. At least I didn't notice a bad odor outdoors when I was shoveling the compost into my plastic garbage bag. The compost was still actively hot and releasing steam when you dug into it, so I guess it had a ton of good bacteria munching away at the leaf carbon. But when I bagged the active, unfinished compost in the plastic bag and placed it in my garage, then I first noticed something stinking within 30 minutes to an hour. So I dug around in the bag with my hand, and felt a whole lot of water. There was no water visible in the park's compost pile outdoors, and only steam visible when you dug into the pile. So I'm guessing and hoping it's just a simple matter that the plastic bag prevented the unfinished compost from evaporating the water and prevented enough oxygen exchange that the compost became anaerobic for a while. Everything in the bag has been dumped outdoors now, with a tarp placed over it. If I notice bad smells in spring, I won't use the compost, but I'm hoping the problem's been solved now. I don't smell anything bad now outside. Maybe you're only suppose to bag finished compost, not unfinished compost. |
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| Basically you have just described the "bag test" for compost maturity. Lloyd |
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| Ooh, that's interesting. Thanks. |
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| Last April, I got free leaf mulch from U-City in St. Louis. Outside it does not smell but once bagged it does somewhat stink. I spreaded the mulch in my flower beds and it smelled for one day but goes away. Nothing happened to my flowers. |
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| It's good to hear nothing untoward happened to your flowers. I think Clayton may have released their compost to the public too soon--still wasn't finished; all hot and steamy inside. Here's what Sandy Baker says in "The Complete Guide to Organic Lawn Care": "How the compost smells is an indication of its maturity. You want compost that smells as earthy and rich as possible. If the compost emits a strong, unpleasant odor, this indicates that the organic material has not decayed and will not be good for your grass. Your compost should not be hot and steamy, as this is another indication of compost that has not fully matured." "....if you find the compost has not matured sufficiently when you get it home and the store will not provide a refund on an opened bag, add it to your backyard compost pile if you have one, and allow it to ripen." The compost I bought during the summer from STL Composting in Fenton didn't smell badly at all. I think it's really good stuff. I just hope it's not chuck-full of unseen NON-organic nasties like pesticides. It doesn't have the OMRI seal, but I think nothing here does, or at least very little does. Maybe if you empty out your wallet at Worm's Way, they might have some OMRI stuff - Lol |
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