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| Hello Everyone:
I've been reading through the forums for a few hours now and what I've learned so far is that I should have started my beds this last Fall... I've mapped out where I want the beds to be and what I'm planting where (part veggies and a separate area for herbs). I'm just completely and utterly lost on what I should do now (in February) to be able to start planting come the end of this May. I've been proactive and got the seeds I want to start indoors so I can transplant safely after the last frost, so getting the bed set up for this spring/summer is very important! Any help or advice on what to do to go from lawn to garden will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks, Larry |
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| Larry, welcome to a crazy little subculture. You're about to get bombarded with ideas and suggestions, and this is a great place to start, but the problem is that the variety of responses can be counterproductive. You will inevitably have to sift through all of the options and then decide on a plan of action. Typically this is exactly the time for New England gardeners to be planning and reading, so you're on track there. The forums are more active now because it's a surrogate for people who can't be gardening. Three writers held in high esteem on these forums are Mel Bartholomew, Eliot Coleman, and Patricia Lanza. Their books are widely distributed in libraries and easily found in bookstores and on line. Amazon lists all of them used, for as little as 14 cents in one case, so you have lots of options there, and it wouldn't hurt to explore all three because they present choices that may relate to your particular needs and abilities. Not having your beds built is less than ideal, but not a disaster. Typically, changing lawn into gardens is done by digging, tilling, or the lasagna method - all have their proponents, and there is a discussion of this going on in the vegetable forum right now. In your case, the lasagna or deep mulch approach might be best for seeds that you are starting indoors, and digging for crops that aren't as amenable to starting early. CT is a fairly rural state, and as such it isn't hard to come across someone with a tractor and tiller - you may be able to hire someone to do some of that work for you, so it's a good time to start that research. We've had some fairly mild weather so far, so it might be possible for you to take some soil samples and send them off to UCONN to get them analyzed - this will save you a lot of time and research when it comes to answering how to amend your soil to get the best possible results for the crops you intend to grow. I'll wager 98% of the participants here will be in favor of a soil test, and in this community that kind of consensus is rare indeed. The other thing you can be doing is start collecting organic material to incorporate into your soil and to start a composting system. The crops you grow and the size of your garden will determine how elaborate that will be - there are some here who end up enjoying making compost more than gardening. There are a lot of horse farms in CT so you should be able to locate a source of manure without much trouble, and if you can get some that is well-aged as well as some that is fresh you will be off to a good start there, but any organic material - even some shredded paper, or wood chips, or ashes from wood stoves, or the leaves you raked last fall - will help to improve the tilth and nutrition in your soil. Some questions that will help us help you - 1) How much experience do you have? What about tools? 2) What crops are you planning to grow? 3) How big will your garden be? Last advice - don't disappear (lots do). |
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- Posted by donnamabob none (My Page) on Thu, Feb 9, 12 at 10:30
| Hey Larry, I'm Donna - Just wanted to stop by and introduce myself because I'm in pretty much the same boat as you. I'm diving into the vegetable gardening world this year, starting my seeds in doors, and I'm also in the north east (Syracuse, NY - Grew up on LI though, looking at CT from across the sound lol). Anyway, right now I'm trying to decide if I'm even going to bother with a soil test because my backyard borders a marshland and is constantly flooding. I'm thinking that it's probably too wet to grow much in...and learning towards just saving myself the headache and building raised beds. I'm trying to figure out exactly what I want to grow, and how much seed I'll need to do that right now so I can make a shopping list and get them started within the next few weeks. This really is a confusing and complicated world to dive into, but I think it's going to be a lot of fun, and it looks like there's a lot of people who are into this to connect with :) |
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- Posted by tn_gardening (My Page) on Thu, Feb 9, 12 at 14:24
| Any help or advice on what to do to go from lawn to garden will be greatly appreciated!! ==================================== I removed the grass before I planted my garden a few years ago. I know that some folks just cover their lawn with cardboard and/or newspaper instead. Another tip: start your compost pile now :-) You probably won't have enough time to create compost for this growing season, but next year you'll be glad you started it this year. |
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| It's much easier to build a garden over lawn than to remove the lawn. You can search this forum or google "lasagna gardening" or "sheet composting" or "interbay mulch". Karen |
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| Before planting anything you should take a good, in depth, look at the soil you have and these simp0le soil tests may be of some help doing that. 1) Structure. From that soil sample put enough of the rest to make a 4 inch level in a clear 1 quart jar, with a tight fitting lid. Fill that jar with water and replace the lid, tightly. Shake the jar vigorously and then let it stand for 24 hours. Your soil will settle out according to soil particle size and weight. A good loam will have about 1-3/4 inch (about 45%) of sand on the bottom. about 1 inch (about 25%) of silt next, about 1 inch (25%) of clay above that, and about 1/4 inch (about 5%) of organic matter on the top. 2) Drainage. Dig a hole 1 foot square and 1 foot deep and fill that with water. After that water drains away refill the hole with more water and time how long it takes that to drain away. Anything less than 2 hours and your soil drains� too quickly and needs more organic matter to slow that drainage down. Anything over 6 hours and the soil drains too slowly and needs lots of organic matter to speed it up. 3) Tilth. Take a handful of your slightly damp soil and squeeze it tightly. When the pressure is released the soil should hold together in that clump, but when poked with a finger that clump should fall apart. 4) Smell. What does your soil smell like? A pleasant, rich earthy odor? Putrid, offensive, repugnant odor? The more organic matter in your soil the more active the soil bacteria will be and the nicer your soil will smell. 5) Life. How many earthworms per shovel full were there? 5 or more indicates a pretty healthy soil. Fewer than 5, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, indicates a soil that is not healthy. In addition, as bil suggested have a good, reliable soil test done by your UCONN Cooperative Extension Service. Whether to remove the sod in the garden area depends on what you need to do. The grass, as it dies if left in place and covered, can supply needed organic matter and plant nutrients to the soil. Some of use have created new planting beds simply by covering the area with newspaper and a mulch material to hold and hide the paper. That however can take several months. Others will remove the sod, and most of the topsoil, and then add a lot of organic matter to replace what they threw away by removing the sod. Some people will build raised beds over the sod and bring in some soil from somewhere else. If you do that it becomes even more important to take a good, in depth, look because all kinds of "Stuff" is sold as garden soil or "topsoil". |
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| Hey guys, Sorry for the delay in responding! For some reason I've had trouble opening the website for the past few days, but all is well now! In response to bi11me: 1) How much experience do you have? What about tools? Experience wise not much unless you count houseplants and a tomato or strawberry plant here or there. Tools wise I have plenty of manual tools (hoes, shovels, rakes, sheers) but nothing gas powered. 2) What crops are you planning to grow? 3) How big will your garden be? In response to Donna: I definitely agree but I'm totally game to the challenge and can't wait to finally have a garden of my own!!! In response to kimmsr: I'll definitely do the simple soil test that you recommend! Thanks! Thanks for everyone's advice so far!!! |
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| Some thoughts based on those responses. The vegetables you list are all good candidates for lasagna culture, which will save you some digging. Allow adequate spacing, all of these do best with some elbow room. For the amount of space you suggest, you may be best off buying plants, because most seed packets will have far more than you need. The berries should be in separate beds for best care. It is generally good practice to have some distance between raspberries and blackberries, because they can share diseases. Strawberries are best rotated on a 4 year cycle in my system for optimum yield. You will want to remove the grass from these beds, leave them alone for a few weeks, then go back and clear out any new growth, wait a few weeks more, then plant your berry crops. Be careful when choosing varieties - nurseries will have better choices than what is offered at hardware stores. Berry crops do best with thick mulch.Blackberries and raspberries do best with a sturdy trellising system, so bear that in mind. It's makes managing the beds much easier, and gives better quality fruit. Don;t expect much the first year, but once they're established you'll be picking twice a week or more. Generally it is good to have herbs in the garden, whether they are in pots or not, because they can attract and repel insects. Basil, chives, and oregano do well in the ground. Marjoram, thyme, and rosemary are good in pots because you can bring them in for the winter. I design based on the size of my tools to make things efficient. When I weed my beds, I just let the weeds wilt in the path. When I'm done in the row, my rake is the same width as the path, so I can collect them with one quick trip. Good design now will save time and money later. kimmsrs suggestions for doing your own soil test are spot-on, with one caveat - you generally don't see many worms in the upper parts of the soil at this point in the year, even though you may well be able to dig in February |
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