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| Hi, I'm a newbie to this forum; some folks over on the WS forum suggested I come over here and ask for help/advice on making a lasagne bed.
I have lurked over here, read quite a few pages, didn't realize there was so much to composting-which I have never done. I've been raising flowers and starting seeds for about 7-8 years now. I want to start the lasagne bed because I need more flower beds, and the ground I have left to work with is too hard for me to dig up-tiller is not an option. The bed will be 2 1/2' wide, 20-25' long; on the east side of the house; maybe 3 hours of sun a day. I know that I don't know all the questions to ask; some general concerns are: 1. Manure - what kind, how much, composted or not? 2. How long should I wait to plant in the bed? 3. What can I safely use for layers? Thanks for any and all advice! Shirley! |
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| 1)Any manure can be used, plants- green manure is not for you if your beds are rock hard. Adding sand is not a good ideal unless you can get a truck load. So composting is the best way. 2) A month is long enough to plant flowers, if you have a hot compost pile & turn it every 3-4 days. But lets say 90- 120 days, because you are new at this. If you find no heat & crumble, black/brown soil in less then that, GREAT! 3)There are books on this question, any animal manure/waste, most any plant waste. Yard waste: grass clippings,leaves,weeds, flower stems, shrub clippings( yours & your friends), hay,straw,saw dust,wood clips, nut shells,coffee waste. Left over foods, no dairy products or meats ( you can use these, but it take some special treatment,so lets leave them out for now. You can try vermicomposting, try that forum too. This is not a ether or type of thing, you can do both. You should have a balance of greens & browns to start with. Shredding the waste will make it compost much faster. Your heap must have moisture, but not be too wet. |
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| Pat Lanza wrote to book on Lasagna gardening so she would probably be the best source of information about that type of gardening and the link below will take you to her web site. Lasagna gardening is quite simple to do. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Lasagna Gardening 101
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| I sent Shirley here for your expert advice and opinions. Since this is her maiden voyage into the world of soil and compost, I suggested that she might want to skip the manure this time. She was planning it as a lasagna layer, not hot composting it first. And I want to mention that although Lanza recommends "peat or other organic material", buying peat isn't necessary. Any organic matter can be used. You don't have to spend any money for lasagna, it's possible to scrounge enough free stuff. Use a mix of nitrogen materials ("green") and carbon ("brown"), and moisten lightly as you build the hump. As you do your spring yard cleanup throw everything into the lasagna (fall leaves, flower stems, just leave out the Snicker wrappers and beer cans). On garbage night collect your neighbor's yard waste, too. You might get large loads of used coffee grounds at Starbucks. Scrounge. Anything organic can be used, google "compost ingredients" Kimm often refers beginners to the Florida online composting site, and I think it's an excellent source. It's about compost, not specifically lasagna, but much applies, like "what can I compost?" Their tutorial are very good. Karen |
Here is a link that might be useful: Can I compost it?
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| If your soil is too hard to dig you won't be able to plant for awhile. Perhaps later this summer. However, the sooner you start the sooner the soil will improve. One important thing to remember is to keep it moist as the decomposition process requires that. I made that mistake with my lasagna garden so it took longer. However the soil is now really nice and soft so it does work. You may have read that people plant directly in the lasagna material but IMO that requires adding some soil in the planting hole and if you can't dig at all in the soil in that area your plants won't be able to easily grow their roots in it either. If you are not growing food crops and have a source of manure you could certainly use it in a lasagna bed. It can even be used fresh as that will speed decomposition. One thing people are sometimes concerned about is the depth of a lasagna bed. It will settle about 50% so if you build an 8" layer it will decompose to about 4". If this area is in a prominent place in your yard and you want it to look neater you might build a few layers of the material suggested above, cover with some layers of newspaper, then place a layer of mulch on top. It will discourage weeds, moisture will be retained, and the soil organisms will be at work. You could place some potted plants on top of the mulch this year for a more decorative bed or even bury them in the lasagna material. |
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| Thanks for all the imput! I have so much to learn about soil - everything you posted will be helpful. I'll post back with progress reports! Thanks again, Shirley! |
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| Even if one has hard, compacted clay for soil one can have a garden this spring if one follows the advice of Pat Lanza, substituting as Karen suggests something for the peat moss. As she states in that Lasagna Gardening 101 the shortly after building the lasagna bed planted in it and the plants grew and produced quite well. |
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