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Using peat bales for containers?

Posted by kurt_in_sw none (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 26, 11 at 12:34

I have a question about using peat bales for container mix. ("Premier" sphagnum peat--available locally.) Will I need to adjust ph with lime? I would like to add organic material such as (bagged) compost, but I'm concerned about staining issues. I plan pre-wetting it thoroughly, with a few drops of dish soap as a wetting agent. I will add some vermiculite if I can find it locally. I may add some slow release fertilizer as well. If lime is needed, is pelletized lime better?


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RE: Using peat bales for containers?

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sat, Mar 26, 11 at 12:58

Any mix of peat and compost is going to be extremely water-retentive and hard to squeeze best growth/vitality out of. Peat, for most plants, will need dolomitic lime added - to both raise pH and serve as a source of Ca and Mg, which are often lacking in most fertilizers - especially soluble fertilizers like MG.

There is no difference between pelletized lime and powdered lime. They are essentially the same. The 'prilled' product is simply powder mixed with water and a binder, then shot from prilling towers. On the way down, the blobs of muddy lime form little spheres as they fall and harden into balls. This is only so they will work better in broadcast spreaders, and the binder dissolves when the pellets are wet.

Container media are all about structure, with what they are made form being much less important than whether or not they hold a favorable volume and ratio of air and water. The nutrient part is easy.

Perlite will be a much better choice because it actually decreases water retention, which you'll surely want to do in your proposed mix. The problem is, you really don't affect flow-thru (drainage) rates or the ht of the perched water table by adding perlite unless it's a significant fraction of the soil (>60%). Vermiculite would increase water retention and be counter-productive.

I think you'd be closer to being on a track that would allow you the success you want, if you started with a large fraction of larger particles, like pine bark fines, and added enough peat or compost (10-15%) and perlite to give you the water retention you need. These well-aerated and free draining soils are MUCH easier to grow in and offer the grower a much wider margin for error when it comes to watering and fertilizing.

Al

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RE: Using peat bales for containers?

Thanks. I have some pre-mixed "potting soil" that I may add to it, which has a high concentration of bark (along with peat), it is very dark. The problem is it drains almost black, which isn't so great on a deck. Also, water retention is a solution where I grow (southwest climate, 7a, low humidity). I have trouble keeping smaller containers from drying out. I will probably add some perlite, but I'm wouldn't be doing it so much for drainage as for aeration (it's a two-way street, understandably). They sell a lot of moisture control mix here--"Miracle Grow Moisture Control"--that sort of thing. I used it successfully last year to amend regular soilless mixes (to which I also added compost). This year, I have more containers so I'm trying to keep costs down--hence why I am considering using baled peat.


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I've done potatoes in peat bales. Worked well, but I didn't add lime or anything else, just pure peat.

I don't know about other vegetables though.


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RE: Using peat bales for containers?

Kurt - If Peat dries out, it has all the qualities of plastic threads. it's mythical wate4rholding qualities don't hold up in arid climates.


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lazygardens: [Peat's] mythical wate4rholding qualities don't hold up in arid climates.
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I'm curious what you use? Peat has worked fine for me in 12" unglazed ceramic containers. I add compost and "moisture control" peat mixes. I went days between waterings with the aforementioned 12" pots subjected to western exposure. Where I have had the most problem is with coco lined containers exposed to wind (daily or twice daily watering required). The water holding capability of coco is nonexistent if exposed to convection, and wind is ubiquitous here.


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