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An amazing Winogradsky column
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Posted by valerie_ru Russia (tsygikalo@mail.ru) on Thu, Apr 23, 09 at 2:55
Just for the beginning a link about it:
Winogradsky column
And there is also a good tutorial here:
Tutorial
And how it looks like in the museum of Barcelona:
The microbes in Winogradsky column are the same as in EM.
Winogradsky column also may explain why charcoal (carbon) is useful in soil and what it gives.
It can explain the role of S in soil and sulfur cycle in soil.
It even can explain what is in biodynamic preparation 500 and so-called barrel manure.
It can be also an exelent decoration at home.
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RE: An amazing Winogradsky column
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| Valerie, Thanks for posting that! Great video explanation, too, of how to grow some of that purple bacteria! |
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With pleasure, Pennymca. Remember, they are the oldest living creatures in the world! What a colors! It's a perpetual life in closed cylinder! Respiration without oxygen! Fantastic! |
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| Wow, do you think we could make one of those at home? I'm going to try. Do you know if those bacteria are good, bad, or harmless? What do they do with the bacteria in the columns after they are made? |
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| Everybody can make it at home. It could be one of the beauty of any home gardener, I think. Usually every organic gardener speaks about bacteria but nobody saw them, like ghosts. This thing is a chance to see them. It’s even more interesting that those bacteria were the first living beings on the Earth at the time when atmosphere was made mostly from hydrogen sulfide and had no oxygen. Those bacteria are absolutly harmless. They are used in commercial inoculant EM. In reality EM is only a multiplication of those bacteria of Winogradsky column. They in Japan (Teruo Higa and his team) take some bacteria from glass column and feed them with molasses under infrared rays. (Molasses is a byproduct from sugar industry. It is what lost after adding sulfur to corn syrup and moving the sugar crystals out there). Then they sell those microbes under the label EM. I think that after some experience someone can make EM at home but it is necessary to have some equipment and instruments. For those who loves nature as such, Winogradsky column can be a pearl of the life corner of the home. (Literally a perl because there are purple bacteria there and they have purple color). It can stand with living bacteria ad infinitum. |
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| That's really neat, but whats EM? |
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EM=extract_upper_letters_from("Effective Microorganisms") Video "Effective microorganisms" live naturally in the sludge of lakes, seas and rivers. The reason to add them additionally is that the speed of incoming organic wastes exceeds the spead of eating them by those microbes. By increasing the number of them in the river they increase the speed of digestion. Is it clear? |
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| I made my Winogradsky column 3 weeks ago.
Now I can see red purple bacterias already.
Red points of them are still small, but grow fastly. |
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| valerie ru...thanks for sharing, what an interesting subject I'd never heard of before (don't laugh). Sure sounds like fun to make and watch! One of the bacterium I saw mentioned clicking through the article on making it mentioned clostridium. Remembering back to nursing school some 40+ years ago I thought it was very toxic. Checking further down in the article it mentions the various strains, none of which I'd like to come in contact with. SO if the tube broke, would they be destroyed in contact with air seeing as their anaerobic...rendering them harmless. This is something I'd love to share with my grandchildren, but not if anything in there could be harmful if the rod was broken. Thanks again, very interesting. |
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I don't know how much it is harmful if broken but i think no more harmful than ordinary mud or compost. Compost even if it is made aerobicaly has anaerobic zones and microzones and what is going there is exactly what is going in Winogradsky column. Finished compost has reddish color often. Reddish-crimson. Exactly like in my tube. I think it is because of purple bacteria. Just observation. I'll continue whatching and post results here. Really amazing. |
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Well, I continue my observation of the column. Now it lookes so:
When I cleaned the column where the water is, I expected that the smell would be bad but it wasn't. The water was absolutely fresh and clear. Now after a week the closer look at the column shows more bright picture:
Here appeard other kind of unaerobic bacterias at point 160 with bright green color (chromatium) which make photosynthesis using organic acids as electon donor. Both red and green are unaerobic photosynthetic bacterias. Another view:
Green on the top are algae. During a day there are a lot of bubbles on them - an oxygen. And the last picture:
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| Valerie, Cool W column! Interesting, in the last few days there was an article about a child in North Carolina who contracted a flesh eating bacterium from a lake or pond. A purple bacterium. I haven't gone back to the EM ingredients to check this bacterium against the purple bacterium listed. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Flesh Eating Bacterium
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| I almost wish you hadn't shown this. Now I'm going to have to convince my wife to allow me to put yet another experiment indoors. It took time to get her to be okay with worms. Surely the boy isn't the only one to have swam in the lake. I wonder if there is something particular about his body that allows the bacteria to single him and the other rare cases out. As rare as the affliction is despite the bacteria being everywhere it seems that would likely have something to do with it. Allergies work that way. Some people are deathly allergic to strawberries despite the fact that it's a very healthy food for the majority. |
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| I know...I debated on whether to post it but it seems to be one of those rare flukes, as you suggested. |
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Thanks to everyone for comments. It is very sad and rare accident with the boy. Such dangers are still possible unfortunately. I still don't know how much W column is dangerous, but till now it is made at schooles, colleges and so on. So I 'll continue the experiment. |
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| Winogradsky column can explane the benefit of gypsum in soil, I think. Gypsum is added at the bottom of the column as well as cellulose. Then microbes make H2S and CO2 from them. And other (photo-synthetic and chemo-synthetic) microbes use the light and H2S as a source of energy and capture CO2 producing organic matter directly IN the soil. |
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My report today.
Algae disappeared. Maybe there is no CO2 in water - bacterias ate it quickly? But very small(0.1-0.5 mm) and nimble animals appeared. They are floating in water and eat slime on the walls. What shall they eat when slime be ended? :-) Are they aerobic microorganisms or anaerobic? If aerobic - where they take oxygen? Lots of questions! Green and red spots spread out in the mud of the column. Shall wait - what's then?:-) |
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| The nimble animals you are referring to might be copepods or daphnia. Both move through the water with a jumping or jerking motion. Copepods are kind of fish shaped and Daphnia have a kind of clamshell shape. Both are aerobic animals and they get their oxygen from the algae. It is unlikely they completely eliminated the algae. They'll probably clean the walls of the column pretty good but there will always be some algae in the sand and mud. Just make sure it gets plenty of light so the algae can make oxygen. Here's two copepod videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdn2R5fsOHg&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkIlOeUWppk&feature=player_embedded Here's a daphnia video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRkjgHHx1A8 |
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Thank you. It looks like daphnia. Once a time I forgot column on the direct sun light and they died because water became too hot. My column is still alive. What is surprisingly is that water on the top is absolutely clear without any smell. So, it is evident now how nature clean itself. I am thinking now about making tall narrow aquarium with red purple bacteria on the bottom and fishes highter. |
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