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How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

Posted by riley17 5 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 4, 11 at 22:30

I'm renting a place that has a chicken coop with an attached run that is bare dirt that had a crust on top from all of the poo. Since my birds are on pasture and I don't need the run I was thinking of trying to improve the soil and turn it into a flower garden. There are no earthworms or any bugs in this soil, it's really bad and it is eroding every time it rains. The level of the dirt is getting to be below the surrounding ground and below the fence that goes around it. The crust on top has kind of broken up a little bit, but a lot of it is still there. Could anyone tell me what I can do to fix this? I will be buying this place someday hopefully so I'd really like to make it beautiful.
Thank you!
Holly


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

An ex-chook run sounds fantastc to me.
While your run may seem like a bit of a wasteland, remember
Chook manure is extremely 'hot'
it's probably pretty compacted
if anything poked its head up, it probably got bitten off!
I'd add as much mulched-up trees as you can on top, with no tilling or mixing.
How recently were chooks on there, and what sort of dimensions are we talking?
If it was really recent, all that wonderful poo could be too strong for most plants...


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

Its about 14 by 20 feet. The chickens were on there about a month ago. I have a bunch of mulch from the trees they cut down across our driveway, so that's good. That's all I have to add? Will I be able to plant in it later this summer, or should I wait until next year?
Thanks!
Holly


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

Depending how long those chickens were in the coop, the poop and the rainfall may have thrown off the soil pH and the soil nutrients for quite a way into the soil.

Before you put a lot of effort into it, why don't you have a soil test done on the soil there? It may be massively unbalanced to the point you will be wasting your time without making some corrections.

Contact your local Cooperative Extension Office (see below) and ask them who does soil tests local to you. Mostly, the basics should cost you about $10 per test.

Personally, I would have two tests done. Wash off a shovel blade that doesn't have rust on it (rust will throw off the results), and shove it straight down (or close) into the soil and lever up the shovelful of soil, toss it aside.

Then carefully back up an inch or a little more, and push the blade down again so you're getting a slice of soil. Carefully lay this slice on an open newspaper, keeping it together as much as possible (like a cake slice).

Sample 1: You're going to want about one-plus cup of soil, so use a clean, non-rusty trowel to 'sub-divide' the slice. You want from the very top of the surface (chick poop and all) down about 6" and wide enough to give you a cup or a little more. Collect this and put it into a flattish clean container.

Sample 2: You want this one to be mainly all soil, without the chicken poop 'icing'. If you can get it from the slice of soil that you got the first sample from, fine; otherwise, take a new slice from the same hole. Try to determine where the line is between the actual soil and the layer of poop, then discard all the chicken poop, and measure 6" down and collect your cup+ or so of soil. Put it in a separate clean container. Mark them: soil with chicken poop, soil under chicken poop.

Break up each sample as much as you can. Pick out all plant material, roots, rocks, pebbles, sticks, and debris. Try not to handle it with your bare hands.

Place in a safe place in the sun (no wind) and stir them occasionally until they are dry. Bag each sample in a LABELED ziplock plastic bag. Deliver to the soil testing place. If you garden organically, be sure to write ORGANIC on your paperwork and on the bags, as that will alter the recommendations they make. It would probably be a good idea to tell them what you are trying to do, because I have the feeling that your results are going to WAAAAY off the usual.

I wouldn't do anything until you get the results back. If you have further questions on the recommendations, call them and ask. They're here to help, and your tax dollars are paying their wages.

Sue

Here is a link that might be useful: Coop. Ext. Service Offices


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

  • Posted by feijoas Temperate New Zealan (My Page) on
    Mon, Apr 11, 11 at 4:05

I recommend following Sue's advice.
If I could get soil testing done as cheaply as you guys, I think I'd develop a bit of a habit!
My last soil test told me that aside from adding carbon and nitrogen as organic matter, and maybe calcium, everything else should be fine for a long time.
All that manure I'd been adding had pushed salt and phosphate levels pretty high. The soil technician recommended I 'lay off the superphosphate'.
Considering the garden's been organic forever, it was a bit of an education realising that excess ANYTHING will put things out of balance.


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

Start with a good reliable soil test. Contact your state universities Cooperative Extension Service about having that done. Dig in with these simple soil tests,
1) Soil test for organic matter. From that soil sample put enough of the rest to make a 4 inch level in a clear 1 quart jar, with a tight fitting lid. Fill that jar with water and replace the lid, tightly. Shake the jar vigorously and then let it stand for 24 hours. Your soil will settle out according to soil particle size and weight. For example, a good loam will have about 1-3/4 inch (about 45%) of sand on the bottom. about 1 inch (about 25%) of silt next, about 1 inch (25%) of clay above that, and about 1/4 inch (about 5%) of organic matter on the top.

2) Drainage. Dig a hole 1 foot square and 1 foot deep and fill that with water. After that water drains away refill the hole with more water and time how long it takes that to drain away. Anything less than 2 hours and your soil drains� too quickly and needs more organic matter to slow that drainage down. Anything over 6 hours and the soil drains too slowly and needs lots of organic matter to speed it up.

3) Tilth. Take a handful of your slightly damp soil and squeeze it tightly. When the pressure is released the soil should hold together in that clump, but when poked with a finger that clump should fall apart.

4) Smell. What does your soil smell like? A pleasant, rich earthy odor? Putrid, offensive, repugnant odor? The more organic matter in your soil the more active the soil bacteria will be and the nicer your soil will smell.

5) Life. How many earthworms per shovel full were there? 5 or more indicates a pretty healthy soil. Fewer than 5, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, indicates a soil that is not healthy.

to see what else you can about this soil. As feijoas has discovered balance is the key. An over abundance of nutrients is not necessesarily good.


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RE: How do I fix soil that used to be an old chicken run?

Thanks Sue! I will take those samples this weekend. Kimmsr it smells bad. No earthworms at all, and no bugs either. Its pretty bad.
~Holly


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