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Greening The Desert!

Posted by TheMasterGardener1 none (My Page) on
Thu, May 5, 11 at 0:01

Hi. I would have posted this in the permiculture forum but I thought more might see it here. This may be intersting to everyone.
You can watch the video online by searching greening the desert. This could be useful to try.

Please tell me what you think.
Or many may already practice this?


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Awesome!

(makes me think of Dune)

Check out this guy, too.

(He composts!)

Here is a link that might be useful: Sepp Holzer Permaculture


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Which of the 507,000 links are you refering to?
Keep in mind that this has been around since the 1980's.


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Yea I wish to do somthing like this some day.


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Are you talking about this guy on YouTube? That is a very commendable project. The solution could be as simple as not burning your agricultural waste and composting it.

Here is a picture of a peach orchard in Texas.


This orchard gets no fertilizer, no irrigation, no sprays or anything. All he did was mulch up the trees. This is along the lines of the guy in the Greening the Desert video.

There are other people involved in greening the desert with other methods. After living in Texas for 30 years, I like the methods that use livestock to do the work for you. Unfortunately the livestock method never becomes a 'hands off' system and must be managed. The idea is to mob animals together for a short time. During that time they move around, eat the grass, and spread manure. As soon as the next pasture is ready for them, the livestock are moved to that pasture to do the same thing. If you have enough pastures (15 or so), then by the time the animals cycle back to pasture number 1, it has been long enough without grazing that the rains have come and the grass has been restored. There is a lot more to it than that but that sums it up. Here is a photo of one result.

The land to the left of the fence is managed with highly controlled grazing. The land to the right is under conventional management with no cross fencing. When animals are allowed to return at any time to any part of the pasture, they will continually eat down the best grass. Under the managed process, they are prevented from returning to the pasture so the good grass is allowed to grow back. Also you can't really see it in this picture but the grass to the left of the fence is higher than the cattle. There could be cattle in that pasture (but I know there were not).

The photos came from a presentation by Malcolm Beck on YouTube. The title is Food for Thought - Malcolm Beck (2 of 12).


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Hey I did not see that but this is the one that I have seen.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ8pjOG4pXI


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RE: Greening The Desert!

Hello, my name is Pom, im originaly from canada but i decided to
devote my life to healing my self and the earth, in Kenya. I found out
recently about greening deserts, and i now want to do the exact same
here where i am. You see, me and the community i am creating are 100%
fruitarian, wich means we only eat fruits, nothing else. So my goal when i came here was to do my best
to re-create the natural habitat of human kind, a garden of eden. I
watched the full video of establishing a food forest geoff lawton, with the extras.
It gave me a lot of precious information but not the details that i
need. You see my problem here is that we have no electricity, and
ordering a book would cost a lot, and by the time it will get here,
around 2-3 mnonth, the rain season will already be here. So i really
would like to have someone that could answer a few questions.

First i must tell you about the land i live on, it is clay/sandy soil,
very dry, with 2 rain season per year, wich gives about 9 to 12 inch
of rain. the downside of the hill we will use has a permenant river.

So my first question is about that river, will the water we will be
harvesting just drift into the river instead of seeping down into the
soil?

and how deep and how large should the swalles be?

can we only plant on the mount created by the swalle? if so, what if i
plow the land? (laber here is cheap, 1 worker cost 3$ a day with
food).

About the timing of planting the different species, i know about the
ground cover and the short term legume bush, but what about the fruit
and legume trees? should i wait until the soil is fertile enough? or
how many months? the rain season is of only 2 months, if we are lucky!

how long should it take until the soil is fertile? i mean from
clay/sandy to at least loamy, and how deep will it be fertile in how
much time? if we aply every advise on the video i mean, and more.

So that should be it for now. I have a good idea of where the swalles
will be, and im just waiting for some more informations to start the
digging. I have started the nursary, about 120 fruit trees. You can
read more about us on our website, fruitariancommunity.tk, pictures
will come soon.

If you are not the right person for me to ask my questions, please
re-direct me, i would really apreciate.

thank you!


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