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Bark in the mix!

Posted by TheMasterGardener1 none (My Page) on
Mon, May 2, 11 at 12:58

Hi. I already posted this question in the container forum but I have not had so much luck with answers so I will ask it here in the soil section.

I have been growing Veggies (Cherry tomatoe,peppers,carrots,ect..) in containers with outstanding results. I use a perlite/peat/soil mix along with a 3-part fertilizer and additives. Im planning to expand my garden and with this mix I am using it would get expensive. I am new on here and I am not familiar with "Al's" mix's which has lead to this question.

How much bark can I get away with?
Maybe I will post some pics :)


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RE: Bark in the mix!

I have looked around on here now and found the 5-1-1 looks perfect and cant wait to give it a try. Thanks so much. Any other thoughts would be good.


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RE: Bark in the mix!

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Mon, May 2, 11 at 16:44

With container soils the topic, increased aeration is almost always accompanied by the considerable benefit of greater opportunity for plants to grow nearer to their genetic potential. Many container growers and gardeners alike, think there are special ways to turn plants into super-growers, but the fact is, the best we can do is eliminate or reduce the effects of limiting factors so plants can realize the potential they are genetically programmed with. We can't make plants grow at beyond their potential or their limits, no matter how hard we try.

Frequently the soil/water/air relationship is extremely limiting in container culture, with water retention excessive and air lacking if optimum growth/vitality is the objective. Since aeration and water retention are inextricably linked to soil particle size, we can make some pretty definitive observations about the relationship. One observation is you can't start with a large volume of fine ingredients (peat/compost/coir/sand/topsoil ..... and add some perlite and/or pine bark and expect to avoid excessive water retention and the compaction/lack of aeration that is inherent in the use of these fine particulates. You have to start with larger particulates (like pine bark fines) as the primary fraction (75%+) of the soil to ensure that you're able to take advantage of the superior aeration and reduced volumes of perched water the more open soils offer.

The recipes I use and that have found favor with so many are not as important as the concept, only the best ways I have found to implement the concept. Many tinker with them in hopes of improving them to suit their individual needs & growing styles, but generally there has been little reason or need to deviate much from the suggestions, and a thorough understanding the concept will never detract from your growing experience.

Good luck Good growing!

AL


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RE: Bark in the mix!

Al

Thank you so much for the info. I see if uses different sized parts they will fill in with eachother this is why I am going to use your 5-1-1. Thank you so much for this recipe. I will post another when I use it.

Thanks!


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Again thanks alot. I am now thinking of making a sifter. What size should be the smallest particals in the mix? 1/8"? Then run that through a 1/2" sift? I want to have best drainage am I on track?


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RE: Bark in the mix!

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Tue, May 3, 11 at 13:59

Dust to 1/2" particles, with most of the particles concentrated in the 1/8-3/8" size would be ideal size gradient for the 5:1:1 mix. If you have much more than 10-15% of the particles larger or smaller than that 1/8-3/8 size range, screening would be helpful. I've never had to screen for the 5:1:1 mix, other than pushing the peat through a 3/8" screen to break up the clumps & get the larger sticks out.

AL


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Thanks I was thinking I had to make a sifter. I will go out and get a bag of the home depot bark fines that i see people use on here. After I give the mix a shoot I will try to find it in bulk from my local garden store. Thanks so much for this new recipe!


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