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Wild clover for living mulch?

Posted by Coconut_Head 5b (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 2, 12 at 15:15

I was weeding today and some of my beds have a few little clover plants growing in them. Is it ok to leave them be, I am thinking of letting them spread in some of the beds for a green cover crop/mulch that I can cut down and leave it in place at the end of the growing season for a winter mulch. I was thinking of leaving them where I have larger veggies, like in my melon and pumpkin/squash bed, and in with the Tomatoes. Obviously I don't want them shading my smaller things like my root crops or lettuces etc.

Also, do nitrogen fixers add nitrogen during the growing season? Or is it only made available after the plant is dead and decaying back into the soil? Does fixing nitrogen simply mean that the plant gets some or all of it's nitrogen from the air rather than the soil?

I have left them for now, they are still small so if the general consenus is that I should pull them, I can still do so easily. Also I do have some light mulch already down. Some beds have just grass clippings, while others have grass clippings mixed in with some dried leaves I saved from last fall (chopped up and mixed with the mower).

The grass clippings break down very fast, a nice 3 inch application is pounded down to a thin film in about a week. I get more each week from the yard, but I was hoping it would last longer. That is why I added some of the dried leaves this last time to see if it would hold up a bit longer. I only have one big bag of leaves left and they are saved for my compost bins when I add a bucket or two of veggie scraps.

If I could use this clover as a cover mulch, in some areas, I could lay the grass clippings on thicker/ more often in the rest of the garden. This fall I plan on raiding the neighbors leave piles so I have more bags stored for next year.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

I intentionally leave clover and alfalfa grow under the trees in my border, and I over-seeded my lawn with Dutch white clover so that don't have to fertilize and I can mow up a heckuva mulch, so the only thing I'd worry about would be competition for sun/water with what ever else you're growing.

I'm not an expert, but my impression is that nitrogen fixers add nitrogen to the soil through out the growing season, eg the concept of the 'Three Sisters', the beans fertilizing the corn with Nitrogen. Sure seems to work for my lawn, the grass is greenest where there is the highest density of clover.

Basically, clover is good stuff.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

Many people have become so inured to believe that any plant they did not plant is a "weed" (a plant you do not want growing where you do not want it growing) that they have this inherent need to eliminate everything they did not plant. Clover is a very useful "weed", beneficial even and not one that I would eliminate from my garden, but then I have been known to allow dandelions (gasp, choke, cough) to grow so I could use them in salads.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

I think that clovers are useful in perhaps orchards and around trees. I believe that they are invasive...especially Little White Dutch in garden beds and such. These babies form such a choking mat of foliage and roots that you don't want them there.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

I'm on year 5 now of a heavily-overseeded lawn with the Dutch White, and I haven't seen any problems yet with it choking out anything. Lawn stays green, no fertilizer needed, I return 2/3's of the clippings, and its like walking on a padded floor.

I can't find anything good right now, but I based this on the concept of New Zealand pasture management, where a combination of earth worms, clover, and grasses combine for some of the the most productive pasture around. Right now, if I look out the window, there are at least a dozen robins hunting worms.

But then again I live in a high desert where it rarely rains, and all this is on irrigation water, a different ecosystem all together.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

Thanks for the input. The clover I have, not sure exactly what kind, but it grows to about 8 inches but falls over easily. The roots are pretty shallow also, they pull out very easy. I think I'll weed one full bed of them and leave another, just to get a comparison if any. If all it does is out compete other weeds I would be pulling all year and doesn't hurt the plants, I'll just leave them be.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

David, I was talking about GARDEN BEDS and such..including strawberry beds. I have a lot of Little Dutch in my yard and it is wonderful for the honeybees.;


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Ah, I misunderstood. I'd worry too about the competition with what ever else is in the bed.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

Wayne, would you think that the little clover plants are going to heavily compete with Huge Tomatoes or Huge Pumpkins?


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I don't know if they would or not. If the clover is thick around the plants, I think they might. I think that the clovers are in their element in the open areas. I have a drainage channel planted to New Zealand Clover, and it is excellent there as it is weed smothering and seldom needs mowed plus is nice for the bees.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

There are some studies that showed tomatoes planted with alfalfa or vetch did better than tomatoes by themselves.
Disease was cut down and the microbial life was more active, and they needed less fertilizer.

Only real drawback is you might need a lot more water.
I had dutch clover in a squash patch once, it seem do help a lot. I needed to cut the clover down that was right around the squash when the squash was first seeded. Once the squash got large it shaded and killed all the clover, leaving a nice mulch.

I wish the clover had lived to form a permanent living mulch.

Now water is too expensive in my dry climate, so I don't do this any more.


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RE: Wild clover for living mulch?

The original Americans grew a combination of Corn, squash, and beans, so there is precedent for using legumes as companion plants with others. There have been, over the last several years, numerous reports printed about using clover, vetches, and other cover crops as living mulches in the garden or field. Aside from the nutrients supplied there also seems to be some assistance in insect pest control.

Here is a link that might be useful: Clover as a living mulch


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Water is not a problem here in the northeast, We generally only have water issues for one month, August, and I can reach everything with the hose. We get thunderstorms frequently throughout the summer and they can drop a lot of rain.

Thanks for the link Kimm, I will be looking into this more intentley now. Allthough the clover around here does very well, It might be beneficial to try some different varieties.


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