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| Does anyone know of a source for activated charcoal? I saw someone say you can get it for $1.00 a pound, but I am not finding any prices near this online. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Wed, Jun 27, 12 at 11:28
| I haven't bought any, but you might try looking for water treatment supply companies who sell it in bulk, rather than in small quantities from aquarium supply houses, etc. |
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| Buy your on charcoal from Lowes & mix it up yourself, they sale Frontier charcoal. Grind in up into corn or rice seed size, mix in 1 cup of Azomite or Real Salt(same thing different size bag). Let the mix stand in a dry place for 6 months, then sprinkle on your beds. |
Here is a link that might be useful: What we think on GW
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| BBQ charcoal is NOT the same thing as activated charcoal. |
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| Never said it was, did you read the link! Or did you jump first? |
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- Posted by strobiculate none (My Page) on Wed, Jun 27, 12 at 23:01
| the only way i have found a decent price is if i'm willing to buy a truckload (14 pallets @ 60 bags per). otherwise...i've heard lots of things someone has said you can find on the web. and maybe they did. once. and forgot to tell you the shenanigans they had to go through. or... |
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| Any place that sells charcoal for fish tank filters will have large quantities of activated charcoal. What would you be using this activated charcoal for and how much do you need? |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Thu, Jun 28, 12 at 10:19
| Good question kimmsr...is masbustelo making terra preta or is there another goal here? |
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- Posted by Masbustelo (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 7:21
| I'm wanting to experiment with DE-toxifying soils contaminated with herbicides. I'm really only looking for 50 lbs right now. I found some yesterday but they wanted $1.00 a pound to ship it. |
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- Posted by Masbustelo (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 7:31
| Jolj I must say I agree with jean001a I skimmed through your link and was not able to find any references to activated charcoal. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 11:48
| OK, you're obviously not using it as a soil amendment so the link to the terra preta thread does not apply. Have you read anywhere that this actually will work? As an env. chemist I can think of several problems with this proposal. The first is transport. Any herbicides in soil will be mostly sorbed to surfaces already, and it does not seem like they will move easily into the GAC and sorb to its surfaces. Mainly because that usually occurs in saturated conditions. Perhaps the soil solution will be adquate, but transport in a reasonable amount of time seems to be a problem. Second, assuming you have part per million levels and we're not talking about a major spill, trace levels of herbicides will have to compete with thousands of other naturally occurring chemical compounds to occupy the surface of the carbon. If the herbicide was a very water-insoluble (hydrophobic) compound it would have an advantage on that basis, but the sheer volume of competing material might swing the balance the other way. GAC particles are a great medium for microbial growth, so they will grow a biofilm rapidly and may not act like GAC for very long. Finally, assuming the herbicide was all neatly sequestered into the carbon, what happens next? Although it may be less bio-available, it's still in the soil. This is all based on theory from a guy who works on the cleanup of env. contaminants and also spent a few years getting my hands black sticking toxic chemicals onto activated carbon in a lab. I haven't tried to review any literature so if there is empirical evidence that this can work, far be it from me to argue. I just didn't want you going off the deep end with a 'great idea' that may not be worth the expense. Myself, I would opt for feeding the soil food web and letting the microbes eat the stuff. i.e., compost! Tell me more about what you're planning, I'm very interested. |
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- Posted by strobiculate none (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 12:05
| sounds like an idea that works better in the lad or a synopsis than in realblife. have you looked at perhaps willow or populus species to act as a filtration system? but the first question is...how big a problem is this? do you know the levels in ppm or ppb and what the contaminant is, or is this more of, this was a farm in the past and must therefore be contaminated? as regards cost...yeah, that be the problem. shipping adds up in a hurry. the best i've been able to do works out to about $40 cu ft. from a local yuppie "farm" supply. from the specifity you used in the initial post...i assume you know the details. and there is a reason you want this done sooner rather than let mature take her course. |
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- Posted by Masbustelo (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 13:37
| Toxcrusader et al. There are snippets of references to activated charcoal being effective as a soil decontaminate for organic pesticide and herbicide compounds. Apparently it is used routinely in some turf applications and the sprouting of certain grains. I have not seen nor am I aware of anyone in a lab or a field situation having experimented with the AC in vegetable crop production. So curiosity is compelling me to do some experimentation of my own. Some of my greatest successes in life have come through experimentation with that which is said to not work or can't be done. |
Here is a link that might be useful: The challenge is to see my grandaughter chasing her dog.
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Fri, Jun 29, 12 at 16:48
| Well, it sounds interesting, so if you do it, keep us posted on your progress! BTW, I have tomato envy from your pics. |
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| I know there has been some research done on soil detoxification using Activated Charcoal, but finding references to that on line seems to be a big challange. There is also research that demonstrates just increasing the level of organic matter in the soil, which increases the active Soil Food Web, can detoxify soil. Bioremediation has been used in many places with good success. |
Here is a link that might be useful: bioremediation
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| If you have ever used activated charcoal, you know how messy it is. The best I've used is Biogize-SD which is available on Amazon under 'soil detox'. They have an easy mix and apply bottle which I just run through my hose-end-sprayer. But they also sell it in bulk (40lb box). I'm convinced my tomato plants were suffering from herbicides big-time until I treated them with the AC. They revived nicely. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Fri, Jul 13, 12 at 13:09
| That must be in a finely powdered form in order to suspend it in liquid and spray it, correct? I was automatically thinking of granular activated carbon (GAC) which is used in water treatment systems. The powder would have the big advantage of being much better distributed and in better contact with more soil particles. |
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| Yes, it is a very fine powder in a gallon jug that you add water to. After shaking the jug for 15-30 seconds, you can drench the soil around trees and shrubs, or apply using a hose-end-sprayer. I've used it 3 times, twice through the sprayer and have had no problems clogging-up. One jug covers 150 s/f. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Amazon search for soil detox
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- Posted by idaho_gardener 6a_sw_idaho (My Page) on Mon, Jul 23, 12 at 14:53
| Alrighty, so here's a question; would powdered activated charcoal (PAC) detoxify compost that contains picloram? (And how does it work - binding to chlorine?) |
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- Posted by albert_135 Sunset 2 or 3 (My Page) on Mon, Jul 23, 12 at 15:24
| I've not used activated charcoal since I was an undergraduate. I've no idea where to buy it or how to use it. But - were I interested I would first Google for ~ "activated charcoal" and "swimming pools". Were I to do this I might be quite disappointed or I might find exactly what I was looking for. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Mon, Jul 23, 12 at 17:16
| What you'd find for water treatment is generally in granular form, as opposed to powder, which will work much better for this application. Theoretically, activated carbon works by providing hydrophobic sites attractive to chemicals that have hydrophobic properties. Some pesticides (perhaps many) are not very water soluble. In fact, the liquid concentrates you buy often have carriers, solvents and surfactants added to make it possible to dilute the product in water and spray it. Once separated from its carriers, the relatively insoluble pesticide will prefer the carbon surface. It's similar to a water and oil situation, but the 'oil' in this case is the surface of the carbon. With all the hundreds and thousands of naturally occurring compounds floating around in the soil solution, I just wonder how it can work at all, but if it works, it works. Note, however, that it won't work the same for just any pesticide. For example, atrazine, which is used in mass quantities on corn and is causing groundwater problems, is much more water soluble than, say, 2,4-D, and may not respond to carbon treatment as well. Theoretically. |
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| Below is an excellent link to Virginia Tech with the title "Activated Carbon and Some Applications for the Remediation of Soil and Groundwater Pollution" Very in depth, with many internal links. May help answer many of the technical questions. I know the company that sells the Biogize Soil Detox also sells granular activated charcoal. Maybe the granular would work well as a long term adsorbent. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Activated Charcoal and Soil Remediation
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