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good permanent amendments to improve soil structureq

Posted by hairmetal4ever Z7 MD (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 13, 12 at 11:30

In a clay soil situation (slightly trending towards clay/loam but low in nutrients and mucky when wet), I understand adding OM to help improve the structure, but OM doesn't last forever.

Since most of the area in question will be a lawn, I know it can be top dressed, but are there good amendments that can be added prior to planting the lawn that can, at least someone, add a better permanent structure to the soil?

I'm thinking regular sand, or maybe greensand, would do the trick if added ALONG WITH ORGANIC MATTER...and still doing a top dressing of OM each season.

Am I missing anything? What are some good inorganic but natural (rock based?) amendments to keep clay soil breathing and livable?


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RE: good permanent amendments to improve soil structureq

Sand has its drawbacks, namely creating something like a concrete aggregate with clay if you don't use a LOT.

But to answer your question: gypsum. The Ca++ draws clay particles together in larger aggregates, making it act more like a soil with larger particles. If the pH is low, lime will do the same thing while correcting pH. Gypsum is pH neutral.


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g'day,

for us with clay it is gypsum and oodles of it and lots of mulching there after, as well as we tuck all our kitchen rottable waste under the mulch, even add composting worms if you wish.

len

Here is a link that might be useful: lens straw bale garden


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http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/lawn_garden/home_gardening/lawn/Gypsum+t o+soften+hard+soil+++Probably+not.htm

Any truth to this?

I've read Gypsum is over-hyped in non-arid climates (which I am in, we're in the Mid-Atlantic). well, it's arid THIS year...but not normally.


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I don't think there is any way to have permanent soil improvement without constantly adding organic matter. Did you know the life span of a lawn is 8 years? After which you are better off removing the grass and improvement the soil and reseeding. The ground the lawn is on will get hard otherwise, and the lawn may live but won't be top notch. But peat moss is suppost to be the longest lasting of all organic amendments.


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Gypsum improves clay ONLY if the underlying problem is EXCESS SODIUM.

Only professional soil teat can determine if sodium is excessive.


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Talk with the people at your counties office of your University of Maryland Cooperative Extension Service and I am sure they will tell you the same thing Cornell and many other Ag research stations have found and that is to make much difference in clay soils you would need to add between 45 and 75 percent sand, quite a lot. That sand will do nothing to promote a good, healthy soil anyway and you would need to add the organic matter to do that since the Soil Food Web that will be feeding your grass need organic matter to live on.
Some may suggest that adding expanded shale will help, but as the people at Texas A & M found you still need to add the organic matter or the plants growing in the soil amended with just the shale will simply die, due to lack of nutrients. It is the organic matter that feeds the Soil Food Web that feed the plants that grow in your soil.

Here is a link that might be useful: UM CES


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Basically, the goal is to keep the soil from turning to muck. Would a continual flow of OM accomplish that?

How much of your OM needs can be met by simply leaving lawn clippings lie, and perhaps by using a mulching mower in fall for the leaves instead of raking?


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****BINGO****

We finally have a winner!

That is really all you have to do. Adding extra compost as a top dressing won't hurt, but removing the bagger will do an awful lot of what you are trying to do.

Also, if you don't already, put the mower blades as high as they will go. Longer grass = longer roots, better soil coverage, less weeds, less mowing, and a host of other good things.


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this link may be useful:

gypsum

must say i have used for over a decade and agree with the link, could not garden without it, but i can garden with out all the negative science, which is science.

note the dust storm behind the tractor pretty typical of the broadacre farmer.

len


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RE: good permanent amendments to improve soil structureq

Once you get a good soil going it re generates itself. Given you have to have a high level of earthworms and enough waste to feed them but eventually the soil will actually regenerate itself. Just do a search on the black soil of the amazon.


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Getting the level of organic matter in your soil to abnout 6 to 8 percent, and maintaining that level, should be your goal. At those levels your soil should not turn to muck,although at higher levels it might,
Gypsum is not a substitute for organic matter.
Organic matter is digested by the Soil Food Web and needs to be constantly replenished. Not even a good, healthy soil will regenerate itself unless it has a means of replenishing the organic matter soils need. Grass clippings and leaves from the deciduous trees can help with the level of organic matter, depending on how much there is. some places in my yard there will be adequate amounts of OM (from the clippings and leaves) while in others there is only grass and that is not sufficient even though the grass clippings can supply 1/2 the annual Nitrogen needs of the grass.


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When I think about it's like cleaning the house, one wants to dust once and be done forever, but you just have to keep repeating the process. All organic matter must be replenished.


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Yep. In one end and out the other.


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Gypsum is good in sodic soils which are found in areas of limited rain over long periods of time such as southern California. Maryland does not have sodic soils so gypsum might be a waste of time, energy, and money.


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