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Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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Sandy16 central IN (
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Wed, Jul 25, 12 at 12:27
| Hello compost gurus! I have several bags of cocoa mulch that I am unable to use. As I am perpetually short on browns I was wondering if anyone knows the c:n ratio of this or just whether to treat it as a green or a brown. Thanks! |
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- Posted by RpR_ 3-4 (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 25, 12 at 13:01
| Cocoa shell mulch contains 2.5% Nitrogen, 1% Phosphate, and 3% Potash. It has a pH factor of 5.8. No supplemental nitrogen is needed when cocoa shell mulch is applied. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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some here will say it costs a lot of green ($) but I think it's more of a brown |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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The nitrogen content of the cocoa shells is the reason I was curious if it would be a green or a brown. If it has enough nitrogen to basically breakdown all by itself it seems like it is neutral in terms of composting it? Darthweeder - $3 a bag near the Hershey factory. I load up when we visit family. With severe drought and water restrictions I can't water water the mulch enough to keep it from blowing away and as humid as it has been it is getting funky. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| Run a test, compost some and see what happens. It is too expensive to compost, so I never tried, that, but I thought it was brown being a husk. I wonder if rice hulls are a green or a brown? But, those are even harder to find. I know they do grow rice in the USA, but not anywhere around here. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| Tropicalthought - I added them to my compost bin but as I am unsure what they will do and I'm leaving for a week, I'll mix in a bunch of shredded paper just in case. When I get back I'll try a test batch of strictly cocoa shells. Fun! I have tried to find rice hulls too but no no luck. Riceland has a website devoted to the wonders of rice hulls and a contact e-mail to find distributers. Maybe you could try that? I couldn't even find a way to order online! |
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- Posted by RpR_ 3-4 (My Page) on
Wed, Jul 25, 12 at 16:27
I use the cocoa hulls on my roses and sometimes vegetables straight. They are a wonderful mulch for the roses, as depending on how thick one applies them can, if undisturbed, last several years, and even if disturbed, one can just redo the area worked on or top off with a light dusting if one wants one solid color. I put them on my corn THICK some years back, when they were a lot cheaper, and it zapped all but a few weeds and kept the soil very nice and moist. The corn grew very, very well also. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| Same here I was curious about rice hulls, but there is no way I can get any. Cocoa Mulch if one could get in bulk could be a reasonable idea, but again, due to my climate and dogs, I can't use it. I think if people start wanting rice hulls they could become available. Run the test like this, when you pile is in need of browns, you put the Cocoa Mulch in and taking the temp before and after with the compost thermometer. If get more heat then before it is a brown, if no change then it would be green. But, if you compost them straight out, there would be no way to tell what it was. Whenever I add coffee I get an increase within an hour, but if I added sheared paper, then no increase will appear. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| TY - I will try testing when I get back from vacation. Gotta love an experiment! RpR - I agree it is a great mulch. I'm amazed you have gotten several years out of an application! I use it in my rose beds and I reapply every year. Kind of a soil ammendment/mulch. It will break down almost completely by the following spring! |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| Cocoa beans are often harvested by children under slave labor conditions and may not be what conscientous people shouild be using in the garden. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Harvesting Cocoa Beans
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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- Posted by RpR_ 3-4 (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 26, 12 at 15:09
| Yeah that article which is ten years old, also has links to a list of other items in West AFrica. Better quit drinking coffee, using some wood products, stop developing West Africa etc., etc., etc. ----------------------------------- Sandy, I put it on heavy and it does change color and texture before it gets a total redo. When I bury my roses as I did for the past several years, I scrape away the hulls into piles and then push them back when the roses are uncovered. With my naturally black soil, the dark brown/black color the hulls eventually turn is good as everything blends aesthetically and for me it is/was much easier to scrape away the hulls than it was the Eucalyptus mulch I used before. I am trying another system this winter rather than scrape away and bury the roses, I will scrape the hulls into a mound over the cut-down rose bushes and then put the fabric and leaves of over that as it is the uncovering in spring that wreaks havoc. On two bushes I tried this on last winter the mounded cocoa bean hulls seemed ease the bushes through the nasty cold-warm-cold etc. that kills roses in spring better than with the buried ones that were pulled out of their holes. This year I disturbed the soil heavily when I roto-tilled between the bushes because a few items annoyed me once too often, and several of the rather sickly ones looked like they might join a couple of others as fuel for cooking steaks but after I applied a thick bed of cocoa bean hulls, which I always water heavily after applying as it forms hard wind but not water proof skin on the surface. The sickly ones recovered extremely well even when during the early onslaught of our semi-drought the roses got zero water for over two weeks. |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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instead of not buying cocoa mulch, how about everyone boycott chocolate. no chocolate no cocoa hulls no slave child labor. is it OK for me to finish my stash of Snickers or should I just compost them? |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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| I have no guilt over using cocoa hulls. It is a byproduct. I'm just keeping it out of a landfill. Whether one chooses to consume cocoa is a different matter entirely. We could start a discussion on whether consuming cocoa, drinking African coffee, etc.. is actually keeping these children fed and machine guns out of their hands. I agree that child labor is bad but let's not kid ourselves into thinking these children would be eating 3 meals a day, sleeping in a cozy bed and dreaming of the day they finish college and buy their first sports car. The issues are much larger than boycotting their products. Life in Cuba didn't improve when we quit buying. Ever wondered how much laborers producing fair trade products are paid in comparison? |
RE: Cocoa Mulch - Green or Brown?
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- Posted by jolj 7b/8a-S.C.,USA (My Page) on
Thu, Jul 26, 12 at 22:21
Sandy16,I agree. I read some where that all the dog & cat food cost in the U.S.A. could stop world hunger. But would they get the food or would the soldiers & slave driver just eat better. Cocoa mulch sounds like a brown to me. |
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