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| Hi Everyone! Quick question about rocky, sandy garden soil I have.
I would like to prepare my soil for planting at SOME POINT in the future. I have very, very rocky, sandy soil. I've purchased cow manure and I have a worm bin and I'm hoping to use both to amend the soil. I'm sifting the soil through a wire mesh to remove the rocks and the many many pebbles it contains. I don't want to use raised beds. I want to be able to plant directly into the soil. The soil is very dry and spills immediately through my fingers when I pick up a handful. I want to keep sifting the soil, but I would like to know how far down do I dig to sift? I'm 7 inches down right now. Is that far enough down to dig and sift, before adding the cow manure and (eventually) the worm castings I get from the bin? I plan to plant veggies and fruits in that same soil. I do not want raised beds and I DO NOT have access to any compost at the moment, store bought or otherwise. Please help. Do I have to dig down further than seven inches to sift the soil? Or is seven inches depth far enough to worry about sifting. Please help. |
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| g'day kendra, can't quiet see the need, simple way put a raised type bed over the top, sandy soil generally needs oodles of organic matter, so a raised bed would work well. len |
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- Posted by gardengal48 PNW zone 8 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 25, 12 at 18:20
| Not sure why you are going to all the effort to sift out rocks - as long as they are small rocks (inch diameter or less), they are dead easy to garden around. Just mix your compost/organic matter into what you have. Not sure how much manure you have but I'd opt for a lot of something else as well. Sandy soil just seems to "eat" organic matter so locate municipal compost, grass clippings, leaves, poultry or stable litter (better, less 'hot' than manure), coffee grounds, etc. to mix into your sand. Even wood chips (often free from utility companies or arborists) will help but add some nitrogen in the way of blood or alfalfa meal to supplement. |
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| Rocks have a sneaky trick of rising to the surface....constantly. Sift all you want but the rocks and pebbles will simply be replaced by all their brothers and sisters. Remove the bigger of the rocks but ADD bushels of organic content content in the form of coarse compost, bark chips, gently composted wood chips, chopped leaves, etc. All of that will disappear (it vanishes in sandy soil) and will need seasonal Forget the sifting; that's not the way to go. |
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| I agree with rhizo_1. I love my raised beds, but if you do not want to use them, then you need to remove any rocks bigger then 1 1/2 diameter for a plow & bigger then 1/2 to 3/4 if you want to dig with a shovel. As you remove the rocks & work the soil more rock will raise up to the top soil from below. There is a special plow that will dig down 20 inches to remove many large stones/rocks to the surface so you can remove them, it is a stone rake of some kind. The screening is slow work, I know this, because I have perfect sandy loam full of Bahia grass & I tried to screen it. I removed 90% of the perennial grasses, but moved so slow I stopped & used clear plastic to kill the grass over the summer. |
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| Twelve inches would be best. How big is your garden? |
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| I would very much recommend not sifting. Plants will still grow. You can always sift the root-crop block first, if you don't want wonky carrots... while your native soil probably needs loads of organic matter, mineral soil is, at the risk of sounding rather cheesy, a treasure beyond measure! Free, right where you want it, full of millions of years of minerals yada yada yada I'd focus on getting hold of whatever organic matter I could and literally piling it on the beds. If sourcing or paying for compost's a problem, keep in mind the absolutely massive amount of nutritious goodies that get thrown out all the time: got a local starbucks? They package up their used coffee grounds. I get the local lawn guys to drop off clippings, although it's important to avoid the nasty systemic 'cides. I'm in a dry, sandy environment, and raised beds have been an irrigation nightmare, so I'm totally with you on that one They're now basically sunken beds, with handy mulch-holding surrounds... And don't get me started on mulch! |
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| Large rocks probably should be removed, stones, pebbles most likely do not need to be. The soil particles you have came from those stones and pebbles. In addition to manure and the worm castings your soil will need vegetative waste, somewhere around 6 to 8 percent. With no indication about where in the world you are it is difficult to suggest sources other then there may be deciduous trees with leaves that will become available fairly soon. If you are in the USA your states Agricultural schools Cooperative Extension Service should be able to help with a good, reliable soil test for soil pH, P, K, Ca, Mg levels and these simple soil tests might also be of some help. 1) Structure. From that soil sample put enough of the rest to make a 4 inch level in a clear 1 quart jar, with a tight fitting lid. Fill that jar with water and replace the lid, tightly. Shake the jar vigorously and then let it stand for 24 hours. Your soil will settle out according to soil particle size and weight. A good loam will have about 1-3/4 inch (about 45%) of sand on the bottom. about 1 inch (about 25%) of silt next, about 1 inch (25%) of clay above that, and about 1/4 inch (about 5%) of organic matter on the top. 2) Drainage. Dig a hole 1 foot square and 1 foot deep and fill that with water. After that water drains away refill the hole with more water and time how long it takes that to drain away. Anything less than 2 hours and your soil drains� too quickly and needs more organic matter to slow that drainage down. Anything over 6 hours and the soil drains too slowly and needs lots of organic matter to speed it up. 3) Tilth. Take a handful of your slightly damp soil and squeeze it tightly. When the pressure is released the soil should hold together in that clump, but when poked with a finger that clump should fall apart. 4) Smell. What does your soil smell like? A pleasant, rich earthy odor? Putrid, offensive, repugnant odor? The more organic matter in your soil the more active the soil bacteria will be and the nicer your soil will smell. 5) Life. How many earthworms per shovel full were there? 5 or more indicates a pretty healthy soil. Fewer than 5, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, indicates a soil that is not healthy. |
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| Wish I lived near you, I could use the small rocks for my cacti & other Succulents. I am using recycled rocks now, but the supply could stop at anytime. |
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| Kendra you will never get rid of all the rocks and pebbles. They come back. BTDT. I know they're supposed to be inanimate but believe me, they'll be back. How deep to sift? spend as much time as you want on it, then stop. It's more a matter of how much time and energy you want to put into it than anything else. What do you plan on growing? how deep does its roots go? Root crops? all these matter. For root crops you need to get out rocks, pebbles not so much. For most other plants their roots just go around any rocks. How deep will you be tilling in an annual bed? How big a rock will be an impediment to that? I've switched to using a narrow trenching shovel when I dig, to get around all the rocks better. A standard width shovel blade hits too many rocks with each stroke, can't get in more than an inch at a time that way. Just remove the larger ones as you go. Pebbles in the soil are actually good for drainage. If you have very rocky soil you're removing a lot of volume when you remove the rocks and pebbles. What will be left? you'll have to add LOTS of substitutes. Organic matter is all well and fine but remember it needs to be replaced every year as it decomposes. |
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