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Wed, Oct 24, 12 at 13:02
I have decided that I will create a perennial shade garden in this corner of our property. It is hard to see but even in this small area, from the back of the chain link fence, say from the back of the composters to the curved front edge is a difference of about 14" of depth. I will create a stone front edge in the spring but right now I will contain the back edge (against the chain link) so that I can put in most of the required dirt in advance of the spring. As a start I was planning to prematurely empty both composters, not even close to fully composted (maybe half way), with the contents going almost where they stand but spread around. As well I have several bags of leaves and grass. Can I spread all of this on top the lawn in the area in question and then bring in topsoil to cover all this 'stuff' to build up to the required height and then be able to plant next spring?
(I plan to relocate one the composters and I guess incorporate the remaining one into this garden). |
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RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| I would put that stuff on top of the soil (which I would put on a bottom layer of cardboard to make sure that grass gets killed.) And make the shape easier to mow without a sharp turn/deep corner that can't be reached with mower. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| The red edge you see above is for sure just rough. It will likely more like a sector of a circle...looks like a quarter circle. Thanks for the reminder about the cardboard layer. But I thought the unfinished compost and loose leaves and grass clippings should then go top of that cardboard and then completely covered by topsoil which would then be more or less composted by next April? |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| It will compost faster with access to air, instead of being smothered under soil. If you're doing that yet this year, absolutely start planting in April. Kudos to you for planning ahead! I always overlap the cardboard by at least 4-6" to make sure the grass can't find a crack through. I would put the leaves/grass as the top layer. This most closely replicates the natural levels of soil, the way mother nature does it by dropping leaves, which then decompose slowly and are then covered by more leaves. The soil on top of the cardboard really isn't necessary but if you want to build a border to contain all of this added material, it should be a very nice raised bed. I fear it will erode away to the sides without some type of border. Adding soil will also hold the cardboard firmly to the contour of the ground underneath, most effectively smothering the grass. Not a bad idea at all. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| Thanks for the encouragement 'purple' but I think the half finished compost will need to be smothered with earth above to mask the smell from animals. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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If you do not have enough compost to deprive the grass of access to sunlight then something that would block that sunlight, such as cardboard, will be necessary. Deprive the grass of access to that sunlight and it will die. Depending on how much organic matter is in that soil now adding more soil may well be a waste of your money, leaves would help with that unfinished compost as much or more then purchased soil. Buying soil is probably not the best thing gardeners do except for those that sell that soil. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| kimmsr wrote: Buying soil is probably not the best thing gardeners do except for those that sell that soil. How do you expect me to do this new bed? One of the composters you see in my picture is full to the top with much of the contents close to fully composted. I also have several bags of mulched leaves and grass. All of this aforementioned material will be dumped and spread on the lawn in the indicated area of the new garden. If I can easily get some cardboard in the next few days I will have that as the first layer. But given I want to have the planting part ready in time for next April/May I am starting now and I have no choice but to supplement the compost, grass and leaves with purchased earth. Although the indicated area is not large (I havent decided on the exact edge but it will like encompass about 130 sq. feet). The drop off to the back coupled with the more or less raised nature of the bed will require probably 2 cubic yards of soil or so which I will need to buy. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| Sounds like you're going to need a load delivered if you need that much! You can certainly put layers of compostables under or between soil layers, in case that was in question. Yes they will break down more slowly, but the decomposition process itself provides a rich growing environment. Just make sure whatever you put in is roughly C:N balanced. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| Thanks for the post toxcrusadr. I have a large bag of fresh saw dust and wood shavings (from a carpentry work shop). I was thinking of mixing it with all of what I have mentioned above ie topsoil, compost, grass and leaves. But of course I am wondering if 5 months of cold weather will allow for enough breakdown of this very brown component so that it is no longer nitrogen 'robbing' come the spring. What do you think? |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| Build the wall at the rear, tossing the excavated dirt into the middle and spreading it to level the area as much as possible. Lay down the cardboard, pile on all the organic matter you can find to well above the finished level you want, cover it with a layer of straw or burlap and let it spend the winter decomposing. It will decompose slowly, but it WILL decompose. If you have mostly dry stuff ("browns") sprinkle in some high-nitrogen fertilizer as you make the layers. End by watering it well to make sure everything is wet. In the spring, build the rest of the wall, tossing the excavated dirt into the middle of the bed, then level the bed out and add dirt if needed. This is not like making pastry - proportions are not critical, especially when you have all winter to let stuff sit and rot under the snow. There are bacteria and fungi that work best at low temps - not as fast as the thermophiles, but they can still get things done. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| Just a practical point - how will you access the composter you are going to leave where it is? Won't you have to walk across the flower bed? It would be more practical to have both composters side by side in a space of their own so you can turn from one to another and get at them easily. Or have I misunderstood your plan? |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| For sure a good inquiry 'flora'. Both bins are where they are as it was the best place for them at the time of setup. After much soul searching ;) I think I can relocate one of the composters but if not the other than I plan to have a very informal stepping stone pathway to access the remaining one. Of course I need to be sure to look after this piece of the puzzle prior to putting in plants. |
RE: able to put unfinished compost under soil and usable for spri
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| I agree with lazy that if you're putting strong browns in, not layering them on top, you should probably add some N along with it to facilitate breakdown. |
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