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I was digging a hole, never fun here in the canyon, and then I hit some relatively hard material, a little over a foot down. With a breaker bar, I found it to chip away pretty easily. It's not all that hard, but after going a good 8 inches through it, hoping get some soil again, i'm starting to wonder if I should continue. If not very clear in the video, this strata is both tan and whitish in color in areas. If it matters any, I'm looking to plant an Orchid Rockrose there.. Thanks for any input or feedback you might have. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Tough Hole
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- Posted by Masbustelo (My Page) on Wed, Oct 3, 12 at 20:04
| I am going to guess Caliche. |
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- Posted by uvascanyon 8a (My Page) on Wed, Oct 3, 12 at 23:14
| Masbustelo, thank you. I had never heard of that term before. After researching it, I believe you are correct. And, my joking to myself that I needed a jackhammer, actually seems to be a legitimate solution. These can be feet thick though. Another solution is drill "chimney" holes. I do have a hammer drill, 1/2", that is a foot long. I think I'll do some exploratory drilling to see if I can hit pay dirt. Caliche, as I was reading, is bad news as roots cannot get through it, and it makes for poor drainage. Thanks again. |
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- Posted by strobiculate none (My Page) on Thu, Oct 4, 12 at 22:42
| Here's the thing most folks here miss...soil is decomposed rock, and everything that makes soil active is not microbes or compost, but chemistry. Sure, the microbes live in soil, and its hard to separate them, and organic matter has benefits of it's own...but to truly understand soil, you have to understand chemistry. And given the proper set of circumstances, such as water, pressure, heat, and decomposing rock with certain kinds of mineral content, and iron in the soil can settle as ferrite. If there's enough, it can form a layer. I name iron, but there are other minerals that can do this. |
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- Posted by uvascanyon 8a (My Page) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 0:31
| strobiculate, thank you. I'm no chemist, but what you say makes plenty of sense. I had a several chemistry classes during my undergrad years (minor in science)... I suppose whether it is iron, caliche (calcium carbonate), or some other mineral / chemical compound, it clearly presents problems with respect to drainage. It's like having a pot underground... Tomorrow I will drill some holes into this stuff, whatever it is. I'll go a foot down, or until I see some brown dirt spitting upward... If the foot long bit never sees decent soil, I'll fill it back-up and dig another hole. I'll try to remember to report back... |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 12:29
| Of course, a physicist will tell you that chemistry is nothing but applied physics. But I pay no attention to them, I'm a chemist. Besides, they have the mathemeticians whispering in their other ear that physics is just applied mathematics. :-p |
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| Ok tox, that was just funny! (and true). You should download the Infinite Monkey Cage from the BBC! On another note, drilling might be your best alternative, see if you get thru that 'layer' and into something more reasonable. If that layer is less than 2 feet then its reasonable to stick with it (lots of hard work but feasible). If not you should perhaps consider some good raised beds for the plantings..... Unless you happen to have a backhoe available to really rip thru the layer. |
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- Posted by TheMasterGardener1 5B (My Page) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 19:17
| "Of course, a physicist will tell you that chemistry is nothing but applied physics. It is. :) " that physics is just applied mathematics. :-p" All true :) |
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- Posted by uvascanyon (My Page) on Sat, Oct 6, 12 at 2:30
| Drilled several 1/2" holes, a foot down, and nothing but white, cream, tan-like powder came up... Drat. I dug a hole a few feet over, same thing. I dug another one a few feet higher, and that looks pretty good. I'm doing drainage tests now on these holes, or perk (percolation) test as some call them. I found this link to be pretty good |
Here is a link that might be useful: DIY Soil Drainage Perk Test for Your Yard
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- Posted by Masbustelo 5B Illinois (My Page) on Sun, Oct 7, 12 at 6:08
| From what I've seen of caliche it seems to meander around, sort of like a creek would. So it is in one place but maybe not 20 feet away. |
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- Posted by uvascanyon (My Page) on Sun, Oct 7, 12 at 22:25
| If this indeed caliche, that's what I see here, as just a few feet away, I can go much deeper and not hit this stuff. Interestingly, the water drains fine through it. Roots getting through would be problematic, at least for some root systems. I say that because I do see some roots shooting through in various places... |
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