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| I looked at Soil FAQ Page. Answered a few questions...now a few more have popped up...and maybe a few to see if I got things straight cause I feel like a dummy. lol
1.) Soil, compost, Mulch. What is the difference for these three? I gathered how to create compost and what can be used for mulch (Have plenty of the stuff around) Soil is just the dirt on the ground? (For me, it's practically sand and possible clay) 2.) I read that wood ash is okay but ashes from a BBQ is frowned upon. What about cigarette ash? I've gotten mixed messages with this one. (I'm asking on this cause I have a ceramic pot that I swear the first layer is nothing but ash) 3.) Any apartment renters: Do you do a compost pile? If so how? |
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- Posted by mooserider none (My Page) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 20:12
| Darth, I'm also a bit of a newbie, but I might be able to give some insight on #1. Compost is the stuff you make by throwing together vegetables, grass clippings, leaves, coffee grains, wood chips, etc., in order to make a nutrient rich material that you can use for feeding your plants. Just search 'compost' in the dictionary or wikipedia and you can find out more about it easily. Mulch is the material that you put on top of the bedding your plants are planted in. Common mulches are wood chips and leaves, but you could also use compost material (typically prior to it being completely composted, so that it continues to compost and then leach into the soil). Mulching serves a few purposes... it just looks better than bare soil/dirt to most people... it also helps to keep weeds from coming up. And it can also help feed your plants over time (as in the case of using compost as a mulch, or wood chips that will take a long time to break down). Soil I'm not as sure about, but I see soil as what your plants roots are planted in... what supports it physically and what is currently feeding the plants. Hope that helps a little. |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 21:38
| So basically compost is really what others call fertilizer. Okay, i get what compost is, I get what mulch is. Thank you. Now just need get a better understanding on what "soil" is lol Cause if soil is really nothing but dirt (like my desert sand) then I have plenty of it.... more then compost. :) On the flip side, I can take over the backyard (to a point) and the front yard for growing stuff. :D |
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- Posted by mooserider none (My Page) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 22:00
| I would agree that compost is fertilizer, as in it obviously fertilizes the soil, but generally when people say 'fertilizer' in everyday communication, I find that they usually mean something that you buy at the store and sprinkle in the soil. Subtle difference. I tend to hear non-organic farmers using the fertilizer, while organic farmers use compost (though there are organic type grain fertilizers you can buy as well). For soil, and someone might correct me here... yes, just desert sand is soil. Clay could be soil I suppose, if that's the top layer in some areas... or dirt, or any combination of those plus the organics and silt and such mixed in. 'Soil' doesn't really tell you anything about what can be grown in it, that's why you generally hear the question, 'what KIND of soil do you have?' As I've been asked when I said I have a yard full of dirt... well what the dirt is made up of is the important thing to know. You'll probably want to 'fertilize' that desert sand with some finished compost, or store bought fertilizer or whatever. Find out what your plants need first, then enrich the sand with what they need. Then put mulch on top, as mulch will also help retain water from evaporating out as quickly (which I would guess could suck in the desert). Anyhow, hope that helps. |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 0:42
| well it certainly clarifies "soil" to me. And keeping things moist out here isn't as easy when you're trying to grow things from seed. I'm not 100% on the clay part, as I haven't dug anything anywhere. My little seeds are currently sitting in potting soil in a cardboard egg carton bottom. It's only been there for a day... but keeping the soil damp when the seeds need sunlight is a little tough. Not sure if I'm doing things right or what. I check the dirt though every evening when I bring them in. |
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| Soil is the mix of mineral particles and organic matter that makes up the surface of the earth we live and walk on and where the plants grow. Compost is a soil amendment, not a fertilizer, made from a mix of vegetative waste that has been worked on by bacteria and digested into something different then the original matereials. Mulches are materials that are placed on the soils surface to aid in 1. "weed" suppression, 2. soil moisture control, 3. soil temperature control and, 4. to add organic matter to the soil if the appropriate materials are used. Compost could be used as a mulch but mulches cannot become compost unless they are piled up so the bacterial can convert them. Dirt is the stuff you track into the house and get yelled at for doing. Soil is what your plants grow in. Those ashes from you BBQ will contain fats which are, usually, not something good to add to your soil and if you use commercial charcoal briquets they will contain "stuff" you would not want in your soil. Whether to use the ash from wood depends on your soil. What is your soils pH? What nutrient is missing from your soil? Do you need Calcium or Magnesium? |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 11:30
| heh well that definitely answers the soil question. As for the cig ash, I guess I'll be doing an experiment. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 16:14
| I am not so sure BBQ ashes contain harmful fats - they would burn off - but I would not use them anyway because of the high pH and potentially elevated heavy metals from the use of coal in the briquettes. |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 16:53
| I don't have BBQ ashes.... the BBQ we have is a propane tanked one. but there's a container of potting soil just sitting there with a layer of cigarette ash sitting in it. |
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- Posted by toxcrusadr (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 18:34
| I would think it would take an awful lot of cigarettes to have much of an effect, regardless of what's in them...toss it in the compost. Tobacco itself does have insecticidal properties, so the butts, maybe not. |
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| OT, but could be handy... Very few seeds need light to germinate. Warmth is the thing. I usually put my seed tray inside a plastic bag, which stops evaporation. I think you'll struggle to start seeds/keep seedlings alive in egg cartons as the area for soil's so small and the cardboard allows evaporation. Used plastic containers with drainage holes poked (from inside so water doesn't get 'caught' on the little plastic volcanoes you create). I chuck all sorts of stuff round the garden, but I wouldn't use cig ash. Where there's ash, there's butts and I hate butts. They really are full of toxic gunk. I have a house and a compost heap, but I know people in apartments who compost using the bokashi method, then bring it to me for my garden. Win/win! |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 21:22
| tox@ coolness. feij@ I don't see very many if any butts in the container. I think it's just the ash sitting on top of the soil. I have plastic grocery bags to help the cartons? Otherwise to help them along I have little glass jars for a little extra room but not much. I think I need a few more plastic containers that I can safely put holes in... and what's a bokashi method? |
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| You'll be way better off if you slip a bag over the carton than nothing, but I'd recommend collecting things like yoghurt pottles etc. There's always plenty of plastc stuff around! Proper drainage is really important. Make sure you check for germination daily, as the seedlings need light as soon as they emerge. I try to check/remove bag in the evening, so the seedlings have a night uncovered before getting hit by the sun. It'll be easiest to search 'bokashi' online, someone out there will have explained it better than I can. |
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- Posted by jonhughes So.Oregon (jonehughes@hotmail.com) on Fri, Oct 21, 11 at 10:19
| I hate butts. They really are full of toxic gunk. ;-) |
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- Posted by Darth-Talon 9 (My Page) on Fri, Oct 21, 11 at 12:52
| Okay... is the bag suppose to help keep moisture in? and I've got maybe 12 plastic things ready if need be... 6 more and I'll have enough to cover what's in the carton if all of it grows. I actually reread the instructions on my seeds' packet and learned I need to keep them indoors until they start sprouting leaves. =/ |
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| Bokashi is another way to make compost, usually requiring you to spend your money on "special" breeds of bacteria to digest the materials. Covering seed starting trays with plastic sometimes helps hold moisture in the soil which sometimes can help seeds germinate better. I have done it both ways and found that with some seeds it does help while with others it does not. Tomatoes, peppeers, and egg plant seeded into starting trays that are covered with plastic and then placed on top of the refrigerator germinate faster then do seedling trays not placed on top of the refrigerator. However, the time difference between trays placed on top of the refrigerator and not covered with plastic is so insignifigant as to not warrent using the plastic. |
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| Oh dear, Jon. We don't use 'butt' like you lot, so the unfortunate double-meaning escaped me! For me, covering with the plastic bag makes a massive difference by reducing evaporation and maintaining even moisture. If seeds dry out once, that's it for them. OP, I'm hoping we're on the same page with the plastic thing: for eg, if using a 6, 12, or larger egg-carton, just slip the bag over the whole thing. I use individual recycled seedling punnets. Any old smallish plastic containers with drainage holes will do though. I line them up in old roasting dishes so I can water from the bottom when the plants emerge. If you can get a container with medium-low sides that fits the egg-carton in it and allows for bottom-watering, I'd recommend that if using egg-cartons, but I'd still push to use something other than egg-cartons if you can. kimmsr, I assumed from the op's question re apartment dwellers and composting that there would be no place to do 'normal' comost. What composting method would you recommend in that situation? I know of people who create their own EM, so money's not necessarily an issue. |
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