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| Hi everyone!
I am a first-time homeowner and first-time gardener here in Zone 10 in Los Angeles, looking for tips on how to prepare my yard for a few things I'd like: edibles for cooking (I love making jam, and would love to grow veggies and fruits/berries, plus herbs) a little learn & play patch for my 3-year-old fragrant vines/flowers? We had to remove some dirt from one side of the house, and just had them dump it in the far side of the yard to level it out, and now I don't know what to do with that. I'm such a total newbie that I honestly don't even know what questions to ask. I'd appreciate any tips at all on how to level it out, how to improve the soil so things can grow in it, how to assess which areas would be best for which types of plants, what's appropriate for a first project for somebody with no experience, books, videos ... anything! Many thanks! |
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| For your 1st and 3rd requirements I would suggest peppermint, cause it's somehow beginners-friendly. For the soil improvement part you're going to need what this whole forum is all about-- compost. If you don't have that then any kind of store bought manure is good too. But before you even try to thrust the first spade into the soil you should have your soil tested in a lab to get a rough estimate of soil ph . You might think that you don't have to know about ph in this phase but trust me, you'll be thankful that you know it beforehand in a few years time. Wish you luck and happy gardening. |
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| To know what your soil needs you need to look at what that soil now contains. Talk with the people at your counties UC Cooperative Extension Service for soil testing information for soil pH and levels of Phosphorus, Potash, Magnesium, and Calcium and then dig in with these simple soil tests, 1) Structure. From that soil sample put enough of the rest to make a 4 inch level in a clear 1 quart jar, with a tight fitting lid. Fill that jar with water and replace the lid, tightly. Shake the jar vigorously and then let it stand for 24 hours. Your soil will settle out according to soil particle size and weight. A good loam will have about 1-3/4 inch (about 45%) of sand on the bottom. about 1 inch (about 25%) of silt next, about 1 inch (25%) of clay above that, and about 1/4 inch (about 5%) of organic matter on the top. 2) Drainage. Dig a hole 1 foot square and 1 foot deep and fill that with water. After that water drains away refill the hole with more water and time how long it takes that to drain away. Anything less than 2 hours and your soil drains� too quickly and needs more organic matter to slow that drainage down. Anything over 6 hours and the soil drains too slowly and needs lots of organic matter to speed it up. 3) Tilth. Take a handful of your slightly damp soil and squeeze it tightly. When the pressure is released the soil should hold together in that clump, but when poked with a finger that clump should fall apart. 4) Smell. What does your soil smell like? A pleasant, rich earthy odor? Putrid, offensive, repugnant odor? The more organic matter in your soil the more active the soil bacteria will be and the nicer your soil will smell. 5) Life. How many earthworms per shovel full were there? 5 or more indicates a pretty healthy soil. Fewer than 5, according to the Natural Resources Conservation Service, indicates a soil that is not healthy. Once you know more about the soil you have then you can make decisions about what that soil needs to grow strong and healthy plants. |
Here is a link that might be useful: UC CES
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| "I'd appreciate any tips at all on how to level it out, how to improve the soil so things can grow in it, how to assess which areas would be best for which types of plants, what's appropriate for a first project for somebody with no experience, books, videos ... anything!" How to level the area - shovel and rake unless it's a mountain and then you might need to hire a machine to level. How to improve the soil - sure, do a soil test but then you have many options. Growing a cover crop for a few months then digging it in works well. Doing a lasagna bed is another option. Buy compost, animal manures to till in, or other amendments depending on the results of the soil test. Learn about organic gardening as it's very important to the health of your family and the earth. How to assess which areas would be best for which types of plants - watch the area to see how much sun/shade occurs at different times of the day and make a map to show that. This will help you plan your yard and garden so you don't plant sun loving plants in the shade or vice versa. What's appropriate for a first project for somebody with no experience? Start a compost pile first. The most important part of any garden is the soil so learn how to improve it. Grow vegetables you like that are easy such as short carrots, radishes, bush peas and beans, lettuce mixes, and some herbs such as chives, dill, parsley. If you like peppermint (or any of the mints) know that they can be very invasive and confine in a large pot. I'm still digging up mint I grew about 14 years ago! Set aside a small area for your 3 year old as his/her very own garden. Buy him gardening gloves, small tools, and a few packages of seeds that are his very own. Radishes come up very quickly so are quite satisfying for kids. If he doesn't like to eat them show him how they can be composted. I highly recommend new gardeners visit their local library and borrow gardening books especially those written for their climate zone. Also join a local gardening club which will provide lots of info and often free plants. Google your questions and you will learn a lot. Visit the gardening forum for California (link below) as well as this soil forum and don't be afraid to ask questions as they come up. We all started out with no knowledge so it's a learning experience for all of us. Enjoy the process! :) |
Here is a link that might be useful: California gardening forum
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- Posted by emgardener 9 BayArea CA (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 12:17
| toji, Your soil is probably heavy clay and alkaline, same as mine in CA bay area. I tried for years digging in compost, leaves, grass,... The clay soil in a warm climate really eats it up and goes back to being clay. For a simple approach that should work, dig in 50% wood chips down 16". Mulch with wood chips and then fertilize enough with blood meal to keep any plant leaves green. This year when I did this my worm population exploded, first time ever I've been able to keep a large worm population going. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Using wood chips for fast soil prep
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| If you can improve a small spot fairly quickly this is a good time to plant lettuce and other winter veggies in zone 10. |
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- Posted by nancyjane_gardener USDA 8ish No CA (My Page) on Fri, Nov 9, 12 at 21:35
| Yes, surely start a compost system, but it won't help you for awhile (maybe spring. Read up on that!) So Ca can be a wonderful year round gardening experience, but if you are REALLY hot, could be troublesome! You say that you're in a new home? Is that including new construction? They often compact the ground in a new construction area. Do you (or your neighbors. Good idea to ask!) have gophers? If so, raised beds lined with gopher wire is a must! You might want to use that extra dirt/soil in raised beds also if you are in a city/town type area to make things look "neat"! I would buy a truckload of organic compost from a soil type place to mix the "dirt" into! I'm in the country, so that's the best I can do to help! I get truckloads of manure etc and nobody cares! LOL Good luck and happy gardening! Nancy |
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| FYI, mint can be a wicked invasive (which is why it may seem "beginner-friendly"). It may not be in a dry climate, but in cool wet climates it's unstoppable. |
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| What makes up clay soil is inert, clay soil does not eat organic matter although the Soil Food Web that is created with the addition of organic matter to clay soils will. Where the winter weather is quite warm, as in many parts of California (and other places) that SFW can, if supplied with a food source, keep working all year round. But since plants are growing all year round they can also supply unlimited amounts of organic matter, although it will be scattered during the year and not available all at once as it is in the colder regions of the world. |
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