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Design Questions foundations, kneewalls

Posted by equinecpa 4 (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 25, 14 at 0:31

This greenhouse will be located on our homestead at 9800' in the rocky mountains. We are zone 4. I'm attaching this greenhouse to an existing lean-to structure that is 16'x24' (the greenhouse will be attached to the long wall). I plan on using 1/3 of the greenhouse area as a chicken/duck coop. I'd like to try to use some of their night heat for the greenhouse in the winter, and also use solar gain to keep their coop warmer in the winter. Sheep and goats will also contribute to night time heat in the adjoining building and will also provide CO2.

I'm planning to make this a solar greenhouse and have read several books on the topic. Along the back wall I will be using containers full of water for heat sinks. My vermicompost bin will be in there as will a 300 gallon aquaponics tote system.

I believe I'm going with a tilted sidewall to catch winter sun and optimize angles. The front of the greenhouse will be partially subgrade as this is going on a hill but unfortunately the southern facing wall is the HIGH wall so front will be submerged about 12"-18". South wall (tilted wall) and part of roof will be clear, E&W walls will be mostly solid.

Questions I have so far:

1) Foundation-I'm planning on preserved wood foundation as I know how to work with wood better than anything else. I'm going to use 4x6 timbers. I see some sites recommend 2 timbers all the way around, others only one. I definitely will have more than one in front as I have to make at least grade height-but what about round the back where I'm attaching this to the existing structure-would you still use two timbers or is that overkill? Then I was wondering should I use all timbers along the front deeper wall or would I be better off setting posts, setting timbers on these and filling the space under the timbers with concrete block and then insulate the outside wall?

2)Kneewall-I wouldn't mind additional height in the front as due to the slope of the glass, there is not a lot of height for the first couple of feet. I'll already have 12-18" in front due to grade, but was wondering are there pros and cons to kneewalls? Is there an optimum height? I just read on one site that not a lot of useful light comes in down there anyhow? This would greatly improve the coop end of the structure as I could do nest boxes or something along there.

3) Glass/Polycarbonate- I will be using both glass/polycarbonate. I'm taking down a Santa barbara greenhouse that is falling down and recycling the 6mm polycarbonate panels (I have 8 4'x6') panels and then some assorted sizes from the roof and ends. I also have some double glazed patio door glass and some windows too. Would you use the polycarbonate on the roof, glass for the sides. I was even considering doubling up on the polycarbonate on the roof or would I be better off using it all around and not using the glass at all?

Any other suggestions before I get going would be greatly appreciated. I'm attaching an outline of what my plan is for now. I already have one change I'm considering and that is to make the north greenhouse wall a little higher than the structure it is attaching to, and then putting openable panels along it to let heat out. Good/bad idea? I could always make part of the roof openable.


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RE: Design Questions foundations, kneewalls

If you get hailstorms where you are......don't use glass on the roof!


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RE: Design Questions foundations, kneewalls

We do get hail...so that answers that!


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RE: Design Questions foundations, kneewalls

I live Bushland Tx just west of Amarillo,my greenhouse is 20x30x12,facing south,west wall is R-panels rest of the greenhouse is Lexan poly,so far has stood up to many heavy hailstorms and strong winds,80mph.but I used metal tubing and channel for a frame,a portion of my greenhouse is dedicated to 5 tropical parrots,so I have propane heaters,I built flower beds on south side and west side,about 2 ft deep and tall and wide,as this really helps holding the heat inside,like yours mine is a lean too and northside is the backside of my house,I grow tropicals such as bananas and palms,planted in the ground,so my greenhouse never gets below 50*,we seldom get much snow but last year we got 21 inches and I had snow drifts over 6 feet on the roof of my greenhouse,which buckled the 8inch c channel,lucky enough got it time to but 4x6 timber under it to keep it from crashing down,so build yours as to expect anything that might come your way..


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