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Honda FG 110 mini-tiller

Posted by snuffyinATL se (My Page) on
Fri, Apr 15, 05 at 21:25

Any ideas on the reliability of this tiller? It has a little 4-stroke OHC engine, that seems to have plenty of power for its size, and tills good, but how is the long term reliability? I bought it for my wife to keep up her flowerbed, so its not being used on a large garden spot.


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RE: Honda FG 110 mini-tiller

This unit replaces a similar one that has been out for a number of years. It was a push rod OHV. A gear box bug in the early original model has long since been corrected so the tiller side should be very reliable. The OHC engine has been out for a year or two on a line trimmer with no problems so I wouldn't fear having any trouble.

Personally I dislike the sound of 2 strokes and these mini four cycles just have a much more pleasent sound.


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Snuffy, I've had the 4-cycle Honda FG100 for two years - starting my 3rd season with it. Used it quite a bit, and absolutely no problems so far.


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I noticed that the FG110 box says "commercial quality transmission." Anyone know if they improved this over the FG100?


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  • Posted by NJRef centralNJ (My Page) on
    Tue, Apr 19, 05 at 11:06

I have one...use the heck out of it...no problems at all.

Starts everytime...very, very quiet...tough litle tiller.


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Thanks guys, I was hoping I made a good decision. I know it looked a whole lot tougher than the MTD they had sitting beside it. The MTD had a marginal looking engine...the crank was only supported on one side. Looked like a Homelite or Ryobe motor.


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(I noticed that the FG110 box says "commercial quality transmission." Anyone know if they improved this over the FG100?)
I just bought a FG110 from a local Honda Dealer and was told that the FG110 had a entirely new transmission from what the FG100 had. I also was told it is to be alot stronger. They had a little trouble with the transmission in the FG100. Have only used it once, but it seems to do a good job.


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The Honda FG110 has 1.1 HP in stead of 1.5 HP, and 182 output RPM in stead of 280, and 8" in stead of 9" tine diameter [compared to the FG100]. How do their performances compare??? Home Depot and Local Honda dealers have FG110's for $349 [one dealer has some 100's left for $299]. I'm surprised Consumer Reports said they are "similar"..... I heard mention of a stronger gearbox, but I think it is more that the engine is smaller and so the gearbox is more reliable [since the gear ratios are the "same"].... It looks like the 110 may perform closer to the Sears which costs only $270..... so actually I'd have better performance/$ with the older 100.... Any advice???


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John:
Let me know what you find out about the FG 100 vs the 110.


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According to an E-mail I received from Consumer Reports they did test the 110 and determined that it performs essentially the same as the 100. Honda confirmed that the Tine RPMs of both are very close, and the different RPM data in various places is due to having used no-load RPM in some places and Full Load RPM in others. To ME: I found an FG100 and am about to assemble and enjoy it. The lower HP of the 110 is compensated for partially by the smaller tine diameter and possibly by having [6] tines in stead of [4]. It will be interesting to hear from my local distributor when one of his commercial customers buys a 110 after using the 100. The sturdier handles and the perported heavier gearbox and 'better' engine of the 100 are features I hope I don't miss. If anyone has any comparative actual-use info, please comment...


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It WORKS !!!! ...real tough little digger, and much harder to handle than I had expected... My soil was tilled last season, and is now rather wet and clay-like, and it either dug in and stayed there or took off like a scared cat... Another person mentioned walking it backwards, and this worked very well - but hard work... -then when tilling it in this area it was more behaved. It really doesn't want to quit, and is eager to dig the heck out of whatever is under it!!!! - - with care, I can let it wheel itself around - much easier than putting the wheels back on.... More to come as I have more time with it.... It is nicely quiet [I don't need earplugs]. I like the tines being flat on the bottoms since it tends to jump over roots [but hold tight!!!].


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My dad had me take a look at his FG100A because the tines weren't turning. Worm gear shot. So far, every Honda dealer has told me I must buy the whole transmission assembly; internal parts are not available separately. $105.97...
My dad also tells me he had it fixed once already.
That's annoying, especially after reading some of the above posts.


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Uggh! I keep hearing that they fixed the tranny on the FG100's but then there seems to be a lot of failures. That is disheartening. I guess it could be worse, $105 isn't too too bad...


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I got the FG100 for my wife about 3 years ago and it has worked great. I think the biggest problem with the transmission is, it is somewhat inconvenient to put grease in it. You have to take all the tines off, then pump grease into with a rubber nipple (there is no grease zerk).

I had to spend about $20 to replace a plastic fuel line fitting on the carburetor that broke and leaked fuel a year or so ago.


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My further thoughts on my 100: More rain so I have not used it more than the initial few minutes mentioned earlier, BUT as I think about how it Hopped, the 110 has six tines per blade in stead of [4] so it should have a more uniform digging action ... and the power is way more than needed since it didn't bog-down at all, but kept "going to China" in my stickey [too wet] soil, ....and I got thinking: "Why should I doubt Honda Engineering???". I bet the 110 is indeed a better workhorse..... Anyone want to buy my 100???


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In previously tilled soil, the FG100 will not jump. In fact, it bears down so well, I have to nudge it to move it along.

When breaking new ground, the digging times are FAR superior to the stock tines.

Perhaps the FG110 stock tines are a good tradeoff to both.


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I just contacted Honda at the Alpharetta, GA phone below and spoke with Moses. I asked the difference between the FG100 and the FG110. I was told the FG110 has a new transmission with larger gears (compensates for the lower HP), has thicker handles for increased durability and comfort, and a smaller engine (25cc vs. 31cc) for better fuel economy and reliability.

American Honda Power Equipment Division
4900 Marconi Dr.
Alpharetta, GA 30005-8847
678-339-2600
Mon. - Fri. 8:30 - 5:00 EST

Customer Relations
Tel: 770-497-6400
Fax: 678-339-2519
Mon. - Fri. 8:30 - 5:30 EST

Here is a link that might be useful: Honda Power Equipment


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John,

"...and much harder to handle than I had expected... My soil was tilled last season, and is now rather wet and clay-like, and it either dug in and stayed there or took off like a scared cat... Another person mentioned walking it backwards, and this worked very well - but hard work..."

The "walking it backward" technique is also recommended for Mantis tillers. The absence of an adjustable drag bar is the main reason most mini tillers are so much harder to handle than they need be. In the absence of a drag bar, your lower back becomes the drag bar, and at my age that is a deal breaker for any tiller.

The Merry Tiller Tiny Tiller has a drag bar, but it has a two-cycle engine and a two cycle engine on a tiller is also a deal breaker for me. I tolerate a two cycle engine on my Stihl chainsaw for the power and light weight, but a tiller is resting on the ground and needs some weight to help it dig in, so in my opinion a two cycle engine doesn't make sense on a tiller.

I am currently using a larger tiller, the Merry Tiller International model with a Honda GX-160 engine, which obviously has a drag stake (I don't think you could restrain a 5.5hp engine without a drag stake.) But if you do a lot of gardening it might make sense to have more than one tiller, including a small tiller.

Right now, if I were buying a small tiller, I think I would go for the Red Ox. It has both a drag stake and a 4 cycle Honda engine, and looks like a capable little machine. It weighs somewhat more, but has optional transport wheels.

MM


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My Honda Fg-110 has a drag stake, but I do not use it...works better to me to just pull it backwards.


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Snuffy,

"My Honda Fg-110 has a drag stake..."

I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't show in any of the pictures of the FG110 I have seen and the Honda Power Equipment website seems to think it doesn't have a drag bar either. For confirmation of that, go to the Compare Tillers web page and check the FG110 and another tiller, for example the FG500, and click Enter, and on the resulting comparison chart go down to the bottom line of the Features section and notice that the FG500 has an Adjustable Drag Bar and the FG110 has an N/A for that feature.

MM


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My Honda Fg-110 has an adjustable drag stake. It goes in the same place as the wheels. So you have to remove the wheels put in the drag stake, to till, then pull out the stake to put the wheels back on. More trouble than it's worth.
No more than what the weight of the 110 is, it's just as easy to leave the wheels hanging on a nail in the shed and carry it to the garden.
Once in the garden it is a hard working little machine.
The more I use the Honda the better I like it.


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The drag stake is a simple little piece of metal with some holes for changing the depth, but as was stated by the previous poster, it is more trouble than it is worth. I also agree about the wheels...they are hanging on a nail in the shop right next to the drag stake.


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Bought 110 about 1 1/2 months ago, figuring the "commercial quality" tranny might be worth the additional cost. Frankly, I'm disappointed with the performance. I use in established beds, and it refuses to go forward, unless I use the transport wheels instead of the drag bar, in which case it's only good for cultivating.
Went back to the power equipment place I bought it at, and was told it is not a roto-tiller, that it essentially is a gas-powered weeder. Furthermore, based on his experience with the 100, the service manager said that if I use it as a tiller the tranny will break, and might cost $300 to replace, because it is a sealed unit. Also bought the edger attachment, which doesn't work going forward, and chews up the edge of the lawn.
Contacted Honda to get my money back. So far no luck, but I'm supposed to get a complimentary set of "digging tines." The Honda rep said the tranny in the 110 is NOT a sealed unit, unlike the 100, and that parts are available to rebuild the tranny. She also said the size of the worm gear was increased -- upgrades to address issues with the 100 tranny.
Guess I'll trying pulling it backwards to till with, without the drag bar. Anyone have any other suggestions about ease of use?


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I've had an FG-100 for about 4 years now, and it's been totally reliable. At first I thought, as other posters apparently do, that the wheels were pretty silly. Turns out I use them a lot now, with the so-called "aerating" tines, for slit-seeding new turf areas. It works great for that purpose. For tilling new ground, the "digging" tines are better than the stock tines, in my experience.

A.J.


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I agree that the wheels are useful. I looked on the Mantis web site, and saw that Mantis uses the transport wheels with their edger attachment, so I tried it with the FG 110. Works better than without edging along a sidewalk, because there is no depth adjustment, so without the transport wheels, you have to be careful not to drag the tranny on the sidewalk, otherwise material grinds off from the alloy case. This is a poor design. They should provide a skid pad to protect the tranny. Also, there should be some way to set the depth of the edger.

Like the Mantis, I'm finding that pulling the FG 110 backward is the optimal way to use it.


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I just got one of these. I loved it, it was not too hard for a petite woman to handle.

My only problem is when it tries to take off while tilling. Not too much to handle, but still, it's unpredictable, and if not holding on very tightly I'm afraid it might break one of our low windows or something.

Anyone know how to keep it from doing that? We tried changing the depth of the guide bar, but that didn't help much.

As in the post above, I noticed I liked how it worked walking backwards, is it OK to do that???????? Another plus to it is that you don't walk on your freshly tilled row by going back.


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Our Mantis tiller really struggled to get the spring tilling done in 2005, so last fall on the advice of my mechanic friend, I purchased this Honda FG 110 tiller. I LOVE how easy it is to start and the engine runs great (it's brand new, it should!). But as a petite woman myself, it really gave me a workout as compared to my old Mantis, for all the reasons listed above. I also felt like it wanted to tip over, which might be corrected by adding the wheels, I suppose. But the Mantis didn't have any of these stability, jumping, digging in problems, and yes, I'm used to pulling it backwards to get a good deep till. I asked my husband if we couldn't take the bottom off the old Mantis and put it on the new Honda and we'd have the perfect tiller. He just laughed at me and said NO!! Suggestions anyone?


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Allie,

I'm up there in years and pulling a tiller backwards is definitely out for me. That would kill my lower back. My first suggestion is to use the drag stake on your Honda 110. By pushing down on the handle bars a bit, push the drag stake in and make it do the work of keeping your tiller from running away.

I have a big Merry Tiller, the International model, and there is no way I could hold it back without using the drag stake. I have used a Merry Tiller off and on for over thirty years, and using the drag stake is second nature.

MM


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Its quickly becoming one of my favorite tools, whether its to help turn over larger areas or work over raised beds. Lightweight, starts every time, does a great job, Sometimes a bigger machine isn't what you need


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allie75,

Mantis makes a tiller like you are talking about with a Honda 4-cycle engine.

Here is a link that might be useful: Mantis with Honda engine


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Well, its close to a year I have had this tiller, and no problems at all! It started out as a toy for my wife to use in her flower beds, but then I got to playing with it in the garden, and found out it beats the devil out of using a hoe to weed and hill corn, so it has had plenty of use. It will not take the place of my Troy-Bilt or Merry tillers, but for what it is, it has done one heck of a good job, surprised me several times. I recommend it if you are in the market for a mini-tiller.


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The FG100 is/was a LEMON. . .Great little workhorse. ..Quiet, easy-starting motor. . .BUT the transmission stripped out after only 2 years of light to moderate use. Cannot be repaired - only replaced. . .What should cost in the range of $25 to $35 dollars costs $179 + shipping from Honda. . .maybe cheaper elsewhere???


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The FG100A is made by Hoffco USA (using a Honda engine): Hoffco transmission
.pdf

Contact Hoffco Outdoor Power Equipment Parts and Accessories Hotline at 1-800-999-8161.
Hoffco Website


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corrected link

Here is the corrected transmission schematic link...sorry Hoffco transmission


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The Honda FG110 was purchased one week ago. It was used to work reasonably good soil, clay with much compost over two years with no rocks. The area worked was over 1000 square feet. This little tiller did a perfect job. The soil was conditioned to a perfect texture for planting.

I also, worked the rather rough soil in the composter, which this tiller did far better than my larger garden tiller. The composted material has been put through a shredder the previous year, but had some fairly large chunks. These were reduced to the proper size and texture for adding to the garden soil.

If the tiller got clogged with fiberous plant strings, I simply removed the tines and cleared the obstruction within one of two minutes.

The tiller started with no effort. To plant onions I removed the outer two tines and pointed the remaining two inwards and got a perfect row for planting about 4 inches wide.

I use the tiller by gently pulling backwards without the drag bar. All the work was done at full throttle as it should be with such a small engine. I consider the operation to be effortless and the result on the soil is simply not achievable with hand tools. In fact, the soil has tthe texture of almost being put through a quarter mesh inch screen.

To pull the wheel pins I made a tool with hooked end, since the pin doesn't have enough purchase to withdraw by hand easily.

To grease the transmission I installed a metal grease nipple and applied grease with a small gun. I remove the nipple after the service to prevent possible breaking and to prevent earth from possibly getting into the transmission.

The noise level is for all intents and purposes not noticable, since it is a four stroke engine. It is well built, and has no appearance of fragility or poor workmanship.

To use this small tiller amongst large rocks is misuse in my opinion. Used with common sense, and not attempting to work it in conditions where a larger machine is clearly required this little machine should last a long time. To work up a small bed I remove the sod with a kick sod cutter, spade the compacted earth to the proper depth, then put the tiller to work to condition the soil. The result is perfection.

There may be other small tillers that work, but this is my first experience with one and I could not be more satisified. Why did I wait so long to purchase one? Don't leave home without it.


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I have the Honda and discovered the "reverse" approach doeswork well. Have used it with and without the wheels and prefer without the wheels which allows it to go deeper into the soil


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Hi, Am looking for a Honda GX31 or 35 engine.


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Here is a link to a GX35. It is $225 new.

Here is a link that might be useful: Small Engine Warehouse


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I'm not surprised with the mixed reviews of the Honda mini-tillers after having rented a full-sized Honda tiller from Home Depot. Honda is just not doing their homework on tillers. I was trying to till in some loose compost with the Honda, and all it was doing was pushing the compost with the transmission housing, which sits way too low. I gave up in disgust and bought an old used Roto-Hoe 990 for $150. The Tecumseh engine is a bit tempermental, but it does a fantastic job compared to the newer Honda. Home Depot used to rent BCS tillers, which were fantastic tillers. I really gave a piece of my mind to the Home Depot guy. He even told me to go to Rental Max to rent a decent BCS tiller.


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You can find parts for the FG100 transmission at this Website

Here is a link that might be useful: Lawnmowerstuff.com


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NICE find Racer23x! I wonder if Honda changed their mind about offering individual tranny parts or if the vendor just found an alternate source for them (outside Honda).


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I have posted previously about the Honda FG110, when I had used it for about a week. I purchased the unit on 4 April 2006. It worked fine until three days ago. I took it to the Farm Service Depot where it was purchased and was informed today that the Engine is finished.This unit was serviced very carefully, over the last year. Oil changes and air filter were cleaned religiously. The transmission was greased on a regular basis.

I pointed out to the Service People that the Engine was warranteed for two years. They told me they would contact Honda and let me know the decision. I will keep this forum informed regarding the outcome.

I truly love the little unit, and simply cannot garden without it. It has become my most useful garden tool. But I certainly expect it to last more than two seasons. I hope the problem was just an inherently faulty engine, and is not representative of this FG110.

Anyway the ball is now in Honda's side of the court.

Durgan.


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Update 21 September 2007 Honda FG110 Warranty Issue.
I visited the Service Depot today where the Honda FG100 was purchased and was talking to the lady who had called Honda. The Lady told me there was no oil in the unit, and this was passed on to Honda. The Honda Representative told her it probably wouldnt be covered under Warrantee. She had just got off the phone when I visited.

I told the lady she had bad information. I had just changed the oil prior to taking it in for service. After discussing it for awhile the lady talked to the person, who had inspected the unit. Then it came out that there was plenty of oil but that it was grey in colour. I had noticed this gray colour, since I had run the unit for about 10 minutes after changing the oil (10W30, which I always used. What caused the new oil to change colour to grey, after only about 10 minutes of running?

Now the Service Manger is going to contact Honda again. Unfortunately, Honda now has the mis-information that the unit had no oil, and this obstacle will have to be overcome.

I am now awaiting the call from the Service Manager.

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Update 21 September 2007 Afternoon.

I decided to call Honda (1-800 946 6329) to correct the mis-information that was given by the Farm Service Depot; in that the engine lacked oil.

After explaining the issue, the lady informed me that I had to have proof of oil changes. I told her that I did the oil changes myself, but she was insistent that I had to have documents. I told her it wasn't an automobile and to give me her supervisor. She put me on hold and came bck after few minutes and told me she would contact the dealer and would get back to me. That is where the warranty issue remains for now.
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  • Posted by subywu z5 neOH KBG (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 21, 07 at 17:13

Good luck Durgan! Documentation for oil changes? come on!


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Durgan & Whoever, I have been watching your posts to see what happens. I also have a mini-tiger FG 110 and love it. I am concerned about how I can have proof that I change oil and keep everything else up to par. ????
Like you, my FG 110 is and has been my favorite tool when it comes to ground work. Light, easy start every time, quiet, strong, no mixing oil and smelling oil out the exhaust and tills to a perfect texture for planting. Take the two outside tines off and go right down the garden rows wiping out any weeds between plants, etc. on the way.
Love it and could just about take it to bed with me! Hee hee
Good Luck with what I hope is the only lemon engine Honda has made.
Larry


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This is a letter sent to Honda PUblic Relations. Am awaitting a reply. In the
meantime I am without the rototiller, and could use it for preparation of the garden bed for 2008

25 September 2007

Honda Canada Inc.
Power Equipment Public Relations
715 Milner Avenue
Toronto, ON M1B 2K8

Dear Sir:

Subject: Honda FG110 Rototiller. Claim for Warranty Service.

19 September 2007

I purchased the Honda FG110 Rototiller on 4 April 2006 from Brant Tractor Ltd, Brantford, Ontario. It worked until three days ago, but had been losing driving power the last few times it was used. I assumed there was something wrong with the engine, which was beyond my capabilities. It has performed well over the last year, used intermittently as required. I took it to the Farm Service Depot where it was purchased and was informed today that the Engine is finished. This unit was serviced very carefully, over the last year. Oil changes and air filter were cleaned religiously. The transmission was greased on a regular basis.

I pointed out to the Service People that the Engine was warranted for two years. The Service Depot did not volunteer this two year warrantee information, which surprised me. The information about the warranty is in the Owners' Manual on Page 38.They told me they would contact Honda and let me know the decision.

I truly love the little unit, and simply cannot garden without it. It has become my most useful garden tool. But I certainly expect it to last more than two seasons. I hope the problem was just an inherently faulty engine, and is not representative of the FG110.

Update 21 September 2007 Honda FG110 Warranty Issue.

I visited the Service Depot (Brant Tractor LTD) today where the Honda FG110 was purchased and was talking to the lady who had called Honda. The Lady told me there was no oil in the unit, and this was passed on to Honda. The Honda Representative told her it probably wouldnt be covered under Warranty. She had just got off the phone when I visited.

I told the lady she had bad information. I had just changed the oil two days before taking it in for service, and had run the engine for about 10 minutes. After discussing it for awhile the lady talked to the person, who had inspected the unit. Then it came out that there was plenty of oil but that it was grey in colour. I had noticed this gray colour, since I had run the unit for about 10 minutes after changing the oil (10W30, which I always used. What caused the new oil to change colour to grey, after only about 10 minutes of running?

Now the Service Manger is going to contact Honda again. Unfortunately, Honda now has the mis-information that the unit had no oil, and this obstacle will have to be overcome.

Update 21 September 2007 Afternoon.

I decided to call Honda (1-800 946 6329 ) to correct the mis-information that was given by the Farm Service Depot; in that the engine lacked oil.

After explaining the issue, the lady (Jennifer) informed me that I had to have proof of oil changes. I told her that I did the oil changes myself, but she was insistent that I had to have documents. I told her proof of oil changes was irrational, and I told her it wasn't an automobile and to give me her supervisor. She put me on hold and came back after few minutes and told me she would contact the dealer and would get back to me. That is where the warranty issue remains for now.

25 September 2007 I called Honda again today, since I hadnt heard from Honda, which is probably normal since only two working days have passed.
The thrust of the conversation was that Honda (Jennifer) would call me, and that I should contact the dealer, Brant Tractor Ltd, to clarify what information they passed onto Honda.

25 September 2007 I contacted Brant Tractor Ltd.

The thrust of this conversation was that they had informed Honda that the oil was grey with filings, and that the air filter had been oil around the carburetor, sort of indicating that maintenance had been done. This means the previous mis-information has been corrected at least on the surface. The engine has not been taken apart so the damage or reason for cannot be ascertained. The general view seems to be a mindset that the engine may have lacked oil. This is simply not the situation, but never has the engine been low on oil, and all maintenance has been done far more than recommended. The oil was changed by me almost every time, that I filled the gas tank. Far more than the 50 hour running time recommended.

I have three Honda Engines in my collection. A weedwacker, a lawnmower, and the rototiller. I buy Honda, sometimes at a higher cost, since I have confidence in their equipment, engines in particular. I also have an old Briggs and Stratton on my old large rototiller, plus a Yard Machine Chipper. I do the maintenance on all my garden equipment.

There has to be something inherently wrong with the Engine on my FG110 rototiller, and it has nothing to do with maintenance. Never have I tried to claim on a Warranty. I feel so strongly about this warranty claim that I will only accept a replacement engine. The obstacle put up by the Hondo people about having proof of maintenance is illogical on such a small unit. The only proof I have is seven cans left in the box of 12 cans of oil (10W 30) that I purchase in bulk as required to service my yard engines. The only thing I can offer about oil changes is a sworn document signed by a notary, that I did the oil changes, which seems to be a bit ridiculous.

I would like you to review this Hondo FG 110 Rototiller Warranty issue and decide in my favor.

Details of the Equipment.

Honda Mini-tiller FG110
Serial Number FAAA-1055259
Model 110G FN
Purchased from:
Brant Tractor Ltd
1324 Colbourne St W
R.R. #4, Brantford, Ontario N3T 5L7
Phone 519 449 2500
branttractor@sympatico.ca
Date of Purchase 4 April 2006.

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Update 5 October 2007
Honda 1800 946 6329 doesn't return my calls, when I leave a message. I contacted the Dealer and they informed me they are acting favourably on my behalf, but nothing has been resolved by Honda.

I will give Honda 30 days to rsspond. In the meantime, I am in a bit of misery without the tiller, since I would like it to prepare the garden beds for 2008.

I am studying the Small Clains Court route, and getting prepared for further action.

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Durgan.

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Journal


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5 October 2007.
I called Honda Customer Relations and this is the gist of the converation from the peron who answered the phone. He dug up the file and noticed that there was some note about some dirt in the carborator, and this wasn't covered by warranty, but that Honda was going to give a goodwill settlement, and that "Jennifer" would give me the details and he switched me to Jennifer. Jennifer only had an answering machine, so I left a message to call me.

I then caalled the Dealer, Brntford Tractor, and talked to Kevin the Service Manager. The essence of this conversation was: The dirt in the carborator was a non-isssue, but Honda, Jennifer, was making a customer goodwill gesture; in that. they would pay for the cost of the Engine only, and that they were trying to locate an Engine. There were no engines available. I took this to mean from their normal suppliers. Kevein informed me that this took time and I had to wait.And that is where the situation rests now.

A Warranty appears to be so much written bloviating nonsense in practice. Every effort to subvert the intent of the Warraanty has be thrust forward by Honda. This Honda Engine failed through no fault of my own. It was serviced properly and simply failed, but Honda personnel are acting in a manner, contrary to the intent of the Warranty, without fully evaluating the situation. The Service Manager, Brantford Tractor, mentiuoned to Honda about some oil in the carborator to indicate that the filter had been seviced with the intent to indicate that probably service had been done periodically. (Honda probably assumes this is a massive gob of tar) The Honda Rep decided to enlarge this fact into the reason for the Engine failure. This is certainly a great leap in the circumstances.

Anyway I still don't have a Rototiller, and am not pleased by the actions of Honda.I am repelled by their slithering actions regarding this Waaranty, and expected more. Honour amongst thieves seems to be the motto, certainly in my case.
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Hard to believe they can't find a replacement engine for a 2 yo model that's still in production.


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Durgan,

I don't know if this relevant in this case, but an advantage of 2-cycle engines over 4-cycle engines is that 2-cycle engines can operate in pretty much any orientation, while 4-cycle engines have to be kept fairly level so that their oil pump intake doesn't get above the level of the oil in the crankcase. That's one reason why 4-cycle engines aren't used on chain saws.

For example, the 4-cycle B&S engine on my shredder-chipper requires that machine be on a slope not exceeding 15 degrees. I use a small carpenter's level to insure that my machine is fairly level, especially when I fill the oil. Both my shredder-chipper's engine and the Honda GX-160 on my Merry Tiller require that the oil be filled to overflowing when the engine is level. It's critical that the engine be very level when you fill the oil to the overflowing point.

In using a small tiller, it's fairly easy to tilt the machine quite a bit while using it, either from side to side or from front to back. So the oil level in the crankcase is just as critical, or more so, than how frequently you change the oil. It doesn't matter how fresh your oil is, if the engine is tilted so that the oil pump isn't picking it up. The grey color in the FG110's oil is probably metal powder striped from the cylinder wall or from a bearing.

Hopefully Honda will replace the engine as a "goodwill settlement", although that will be a little belated for true goodwill.

But be aware that the new engine could also be susceptible to being destroyed by operation in a tilted orientation, and should be pretty nearly perfectly level when you fill the oil. What, if anything, does your engine manual say about this?

MM


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The Honda FG110 Engine is the same engine Honda puts on their String Trimmers, which can be run at any angle including upside down. The FG110 Engine only holds 2.7 oz. of oil so you have to make sure you check the oil like the book says. I have sold close to a hundred of these fine little tillers and the only problems we have had is overfilling of oil and a couple that used some oil due to lack of cleaning the air filter. This engine has a small foam filter should be checked before every use, if dirty wash out with soap and water - dry - soak in clean oil and the squeezed to remove excess oil. The gray color in your oil is not from the oil but from engine wear from dirt going through the air filter. if you clean this air filter and forget to put oil on it, your engine will be shot in less then 30 minutes. 99% of engine wear is not from dirty oil but from from dirt going through the intake into the engine causing rapid engine wear. Be glad your getting covered under warranty becase I know of dont khow of 1 company that covers this type of problem under warranty. On your next Honda Engine dont worry about the color of your oil as much as the color of your air filter. This is not a lawn mower or sting trimmer that runs in clean air, it is a tiller that runs 8 inches above dirt that getting tossed around. I know your going to say I cleaned the air filter before each use, but I bet if I pulled the piston and cylinder off your engine I could prove you wrong. One lesson to learn from this - Read the Owners Manual!


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racer23x (My Page) on Fri, Oct 12, 07 at 0:27.

I suggest you are overkilling about the air filter destroying the engine with dirt in less than 30 minutes, under typical conditions of operation. If what you state is true, most of the engines in domestic use would be junk. Most people hardly ever clean the air filter. I religiously clean my filter, because I know they are hard to start if the filter is dirty, but destroying the engine is stretching the limit, and I strongly suggest is mis-leading. Right up there with Urban Myths.

A friend of mine has a home built airplane, (a real two seater) and he told me the oil in his air cooled engine turns grey after every flight, immediately after an oil change. He contributes this to being an air- cooled engine-period. They run hot and some small part of the oil breaks down.

I have five engines in my collection. Three Honda's and two others and they just work fine. My Honda weed-wacker gets the same treatment as the tiller, with no problems. One is a chipper that gets far dirtier air than the tiller.

Levelling an engine with a bubble level before filling verges on dumb, dumb, dumb. Eye look is enough, fill to the hole and let a bit run out, and get on with your work. It is not black magic.

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Just as I thought. You think a trimmer engine not running anywhere close to dirt is the same as your tiller running in the dirt? Some idiots dont know you have to stand a FG110 on end to check the oil. Your probably one of them the way it sounds. Clean dry foam air filters can still wreck a engine because its the oil on the foam that traps the dirt not the foam. Dirt will go straight thru a foam filter with no oil on it. Ask any mechanic if throwing dirt into a engine for 30 minutes will harm a engine. If you find one that says no he's probably your mechanic.


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Posted by racer23x
Just as I thought. I suggest you are a salesmam for Honda, and probably never got your lily white hands dirty in your life.

The filter was never an issue in this warranty claim. A dirty filter will clog and prevent air to get to the engine period. The filter was cleaned periodically in varsol and oiled as is normal with such a cheap sponge filter. Dirt bits entering this route will go into the cylinder and get ejected by the exhaust. No doubt some engine wear could be caused in a typical operating environment, and this is easily recognizable by cylinder damage, The only major thing to cause damage would be iron filings, injected by a dumb salesman for 30 minutes.

The crankcase oil is put in the machine with the flat portion on the ground. This is the normal stable position for the machine. Now a salesman probably puts it on a table with a bubble level so as not to get the hands dirty, and probably uses a pippete and graduated beaker to get the exact amount into the machine.

Don't be stupid? Your ramblings indicate you have been bloviating most of your life without the brain in gear.

Honda has nothing to be proud of in handling this warranty issue. They jumped onto the idea that somehow lubrication caused the engine failure. Maybe it did, but not due to improper maintenance by me. They never even looked at the engine.

Even the dealer is disgusted with Honda. Deny, Deny, Deny is the usualy procedure one expects from Insurance companies in handling a claim, not Honda. JERK!

I might add I worked for a Japanese Company for 30 years, and evaluated some warranty claims. We did it with honour- not a "Customer Goodwill Gesture" if the problem was attributed to component failure.

Get Real.


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DurganDurgan you are the one that posted that they found dirt in your carburetor. I suppsose the dirt Fairy put it in there while you were sleeping. I invite everyone to read your other post, like every 2 cycle is hard to start and junk. Your 1 year old Echo GT200R trimmer was getting thrown in the garbage because a 50 cent gas line that takes less than a minute to replace was leaking. Also complaining this site is crap in one of your post. Quote "I find the software on this site abysmal, but take it or leave it". Anybody that can't start a 2 cycle is not to bright. A 2 year warranty covers manufacture defects. What was your defect? Everyone knows you sucked in dirt (from your own statement) wore the rings out, then run it low on oil which caused your fresh oil to turn grey. I think the service shop should have a good talking too. They should have taken it apart, showed you the damage, charged you $40 for teardown and gave it back to you in a box.
Looking at your post and pictures, I'm sure you probably have used your tiller more in the last two years than a average person would in a lifetime.

CRY CRY CRY big baby. I know why you grow your own food because no restaurant wants to serve you and listen to you complain.

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racer23x

How an adult person can arrive at your conclusions, from the information supplied by my posts is beyond comprehension.

The dealer told Honda that there was evidence of of oil (dirt) on the filter to indicate that it had been serviced correctly. I will try one more time. Air filters if clogged do not allow dirt to get into the cylinder. The Engine simply won't start or runs very poorly.

Secondly there has been no evaluation of the engine, except by couch potato battlefield experts like yourself.

The picture of the bed from my blog is a silly attempt to indicate that the areaa was worked up by the Honda tiller. If you look closely it is evident that the pictures depict hand spading. It was worked up with the larger tiller, then worked with the Honda.

If there is 100 hours of operation on the engine, during the two seasons of use, I would be suprised.

Your conclusions are irrational and to attack my character is low life libel.

Be gone, You have done enough harm to your company.

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racer23x
Are you the same front man for Honda, who stone-walled on the poorly designed power drive on the Honda FG100. The internet is full of problems with the drive on the FG100, and this defect cost many people much expense. Every time it was brought to Honda's attention, the spoke-person pretended this was the first time they heard about it. Had this FG100 been an automobile it would have been recalled. Those who got stung should instigate a class action law suit.

Honda's solution was to introduce the FG110, and let those who purchased the FG100 stew.

All is not perfect in this world-even Honda's.

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18 October 2007. Honda and the Dealer came through. I pick up a new FG110 tomorrow morning. They finally came around to my line of thinking. I finally convinced them that the maintenance ws done religioulsy on the machine.

I suppose they have to be hard on people claiming warranty, but it was annoying at the time.

In the interval I was looking around to buy another FG110; in spite, of all my travails. I have about halF an acre OF gardens and simply cannot live without this litle marvel.The two season I had the FG110 were a total joy.

I was looking at Mantis with a Honda engine, and almost bought one, except I found they have two Honda four stroke engines on the Mantis. One is 25 CC at 1 HP, and the other is 31 CC at 1.5 HP. The Mantis 7260 is 31 CC and the 7261 is 25 CC. I would not buy a 25 CC engine on a rototiller. And the 31 CC engine is hard to find on the internet.I don't want any two strokes on my property. Fortunately Honda came through before I made the purchase.

Thank your, Honda.

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  • Posted by subywu z5 neOH KBG (My Page) on
    Fri, Oct 19, 07 at 13:44

Glad everything turned out OK! Yeah, I love my FG100 as well!


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Glad it all worked out for you. Just don't take it to racer23x's shop for warranty work.


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Great tiller but dont count on Honda to back up warranty. I purchased this tiller new and out in the oil it ran out on the ground before I even started the thing for the first time. They apparently didnt use rtv on the case halves. Anyway Honda doesnt want to make it right


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For what it's worth, I had a Mantis tiller that I suffered with for 15 years. When it finally gave up the ghost I decided to try something different and bought the HONDA FG110. I'm on my second season with it and am very very happy with it. Much more civilized machine than the Mantis. Easy to start and whisper quite. Hard to believe I struggled all those years with the Mantis.


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I bought a new Honda FG 110 mini tiller to replace a Mantis that would not run at full power. The Honda started up after a few minutes, ran about 5 minutes, then died. Once it started again it will only run up to about 3/4 power or it dies. Are there any ideas on what might cause this for a new Honda engine?


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Check to see if you are opening the choke when the engine starts. When I got my tiller a couple years ago, it was difficult to tell which way was choke open or closed position.


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Any more recent opinions? My 2 cycle Mantis is giving me fits, and the quiet aspect of the Honda is tempting.


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I notice several people have problems with motors dying and/or not putting out full power. Besides the choke issue, there are 2 others I've noticed. On a used Troy Bilt mini tiller I bought (2 stroke Tecumseh), I could start it, but it wouldn't rev adequately or keep running (I got it really cheap). Pulled the tiny hose off the tank, and not a drop of gas came out. Ran a wire up the barb, and still nothing. Cracked the fill cap a bit, and gas shot out. A plugged air vent on the cap--that's one reason they won't keep going. But that didn't solve it. Still wouldn't rev. Then I remembered that in the manuals for every engine I've used ever used (big old Tecumsehs and Briggs 4 strokes, little 2 strokes, etc.) they always say to screw the main jet down to seat it (gently), then back out 1 and one-half turns. You're then supposed to turn it back in (with the engine running) until it runs rough, then back out til it's rough, then go to half way between--that's the sweet spot. But try to do that with a tiny engine buzzing and hopping around. So I just left it at 1 1/2 turns out, and it runs like a champ. I know this won't solve everybody's problem, but it's cheap and quick and easy to do. I do agree with the people who prefer 4 strokes, and they've somehow figured how to make them work even with trimmers, which obviously aren't level much of the time. I wonder how they do that?


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All this run around on this product makes it look bad for Honda, Seriously, proof of oil changes? On a tiller? Ridiculous! What, are we supposed to take videos of maintenance operations?

What good is a warranty if you can't use it and get something done quickly and efficiently?

Good luck, but the frustration already looks like it isn't worth it.


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I owned this tiller up until today. I had it a little more than a year, I made the mistake of leaving some fuel in the tank once - learned that lesson but then it would not start for me this season. I really didn't use it much - twice for a mow strip bed and then two seasons for a 10X30 garden plot. The repair shop had it for a month, they first thought carburator then said the engine is gone. The only thing we could think of was that it got too much dust in it through use - through the carb? I don't get it, it's a tiller that operated in the soil? I cleaned the air filter (and reoiled) twice, I live in CA and my soil is sandy. I typically water down the top of the soil before I use the tool - but I've neve soaked the soil deep. I was lucky, I got a store credit but I'm not sure I want this machine again. Thoughts, recommendations - was looking at the next model up from Honda but it's expensive step and maybe overkill.


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Guess I'm just lucky. I've had my FG-100 for ten years now, with no problems.


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Hello,

New to this forum. I just bought the 110, and was wondering if any of you are using ethanol free gas. I have yet to start using it, and would like to start off on the right foot. I have read all about the disadvantages of using ethanol gas for small engines. Thanks!


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Man, I can't believe people are complaining about a tiller bucking when being used. It's a machine that chops up dirt. What else could you possibly expect unless it weighed a couple hundred lbs?

And to the whole warranty thing. I don't see why it's out of line for any manufacturer to deman proof oil changes were done. If they didnt then any jackass could just run it till it blew then get a free motor. There is nothing about a company paying for customers mistakes that remotely sounds like a smart business practice. Not saying that the guy who got his covered did anything wrong, I'm just speaking generally here.


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Just as a word of caution to everyone; "be aware of the ethanol in your gas" it the enemy of the small engine. I don't think gas can be purchased without ethanol so use a gas stabilizer. There are numerous products available so do your research and get a good one. Most manuals will acknowledge the ethanol issue. Never ever use E85 and in my opinion don't use it in anything including a vehicle that says you can. This is very important so heed the advice!

Here is a link that might be useful: Gas with ethanol can make small engines fail


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To add to dwf1's post, regular red stabil DOES NOT stabilize the Ethanol in the fuel, believe me. They do make an Ethanol specific blend so if you must use Stabil then thats an option. The Marine version is the best product they make, more concentrated.

For my $$$, sea-foam is where its at. It stabilizes your fuel and helps de-gum carbs too.

ps...Honda carbs hate Ethanol, regardless of the machine FYI.


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