Loger there are numerous sites that offer replacment kits for Walbro , Zama and Keihien carbs which were used on various Blowers , Trimmers and Chain Saws. Try a few searchs and then a Phone call will get you even more info on used parts also . The used parts are often much more difficult or time consuming .

The real old Green Machine Trimmers were Shindaiwas, and the electronic box you refer to is the electronic ignition moduke which replaced the points and cond.
The newer trimmers were HMC but still Japanese made, as were Stihl's trimmers of that era, very well made.
I have had some old Green Machine books, I will see if I can find them.

Fish

Thanks ewalk and fisher! I'm not finding any good info on this interesting engine but your tips will help. I'm not presently looking for another part vs info as the electronic module. My next experiment was to see if it would run w/o the external vs internal module (spade connected under the fuel tank to see if it was ign related. The parts fellow told me it was a Japanese model and Shindaiwas gives me more to search now. This TX heat is turning me to Experimenting & History vs Work. loger

Loger: As Fish has advised the engine was sourced within Japan . Manufacturers of the Green Machine shifted from various origin through the mid 80's to early 90's Shindaiwas , Homelite which was then bought out by John Deere and the last Green Machine unit was put out by Redmax with the Walbro Carb , you may therefor wish to check out any Redmax Dealer for required part sourcing since I believe they were the last agent for your unit. Your right working out of the heat with a Cold Brewski beats the Texas Heat . Unfortunately I have a Fuel Pump replacement on the rear fuel tank on the Ole Diesel tommorrow so lights out this Old-Timer :)

I have found that Red Max and Zenoah were also some of the many builders of the Green Machine's engine. I have tried to upload and add two links showing my Monster. A Good Lessons If The Links Work! A pain from not doing this often or with attachments as part of the menu options. After my 03 retirement, the computers small engines and etc are keeping me close to where I was in the 80s - 90s. Leaving Small Engine Repair And Entering Computer Repairs And Applications. I do just enough of each to stay involved these days while I play with other related skills. I feel CAD/Carpentry/Designs, Metalworking/Machining/Welding and Woodworking are my favorites when it is to hot for my Fishing Career. loger

Green Machine link with a question on Japanese's name showing:
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af312/JOW_06/TheGreenMachineTrimmerElectIgnMod.jpg

Green Machine electronic ignition module's link:
http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af312/JOW_06/TheGreenMachineTrimmerElectIgnMod2.jpg

I have that same Zenoah engine on a Green Machine trimmer. Didn't have spark, found out that the ignition module was defective. Having nothing to loose, I removed the epoxy around the parts, found the defective one, replaced it with a 80 cents similar one, now I have a huuge spark. If you have such modules, it would be my pleasure to fix them for free. In the mean time, I badly need a gas tank similar to the one shown in the picture, I would be very grateful to anyone who has one.

I needed a gas tank for my Green Machine and when I went to the parts store, he said that the Red Max was identical. We compared them and they are the same. That replacement has lasted for many years now.

I have a model 3000 SS Green Machine. I seem to be getting a bit of spark then nothing.. is it possible for the coil to do this? Sometimes work a bit then not?

I don't know how to isolate the problem. I can't unhook the kill switch to test the coil and I don't know how to test the ignition module (little black box under the gas tank). The ignition isn't as straight forward as my chainsaw, so I'm a bit lost. Any help would be very much appreciated.

II have retired my Green Machine for all Echo Trimmers (3) all long shaft and my best choice has a hard blade. After about 15 yrs the donor âÂÂWork Horseâ Green MachineâÂÂs few needs wore me down (maybe 30 yrs total). The carb and fuel tank grommets were my most work vs the ignition since it always had good fire. I questioned an ext electrical component but never looked under the flywheel or by which I felt the component was associated with. My experiences with electronic components have been they worked or not vs some times.

IâÂÂm sure there was more electronics eyes/sensors that I d/n investigate since fire never appeared to be the issue. Most of all, I learned that parts are still out there under another Brand Name.

I hope this helps!!

Need some help with a parts source, please. I own a Green Machine Model 3000 L.P. with the HMC S 25 H motor. Although the trimmer is 30+ years old, it ran great until a recent electrical problem caused a no spark condition. The local small engine shop mechanic took a look and said the coil was bad and replacements are no longer available. I love the unit and want to fix it, as I haven't found an alternative that's as useful with the ability to also attach saw blades. Anybody know where I could find either replacement electronic parts like the coil, or even a whole new engine for this unit? Thanks

Look under the carb for an ignition unit, those can be replaced with an Oregon aftermarket module,

1. IâÂÂm almost sure I was told Red Max parts will work on The Green Machine.

2. Mine has to be over 30yrs +. I wonder if itâÂÂs completely electronic ign since I h/n pulled the fly.

3. The shop here said they had a new eng on the shelf. Plus, my working parts or eng are free.

4. Have considered some of the good info and offers above?

5. How do you send private messages on this board? One person shocked me by IDing me.

6. Can someone post a link or picture of whatâÂÂs under the flywheel.

7. Knowing it works I have looked for a local home vs my friend that scrap engines/Etc.. I have moved to too many Echos of the same related models.

Loger, yours is newer than the 3000, not sure what year yours is, or about the ignition. Grombo's trimmer is one of the Shindaiwa type models, many of the parts on them actually say "Shindaiwa". I may have an old manual, I'll head out to the garage and scrounge around.

If I can find a few minutes this week, IâÂÂll pull the fly to end my curiosity as to what's under it. ItâÂÂs hard for me to comprehend electronic ignition before the 70s. BUT! I probably started adding electronic modules to B&S mid to late 70s to eliminate point/condenser ignitions. I need that spot/space before I trip because itâÂÂs on the floor. LOL.

I took the time to pull the Green MachineâÂÂs flywheel today and there was not one component under it (attached). How long has electronic ignitions been around? In the mid 70s-80s when I converted B&S Eng to electronic ignitions (with a low cost kits) you could tell the old points/condenser had been there or they were still there. There were threaded places where other components could have once been present under the G/MâÂÂs Fly. The small electronic module approx 1â sq x .25 thick had a # M121 on it and a good size coil was present. There was good fire with the module and no fire w/o.

Now I know whatâÂÂs under the Fly that was easy to pull with two 10mm x 9.8 bolts and a piece of a garage door openerâÂÂs arm.

Thank you for the input. Is that black component to the right the coil, loger? Can I simply buy a placement engine from Shindawa? If so, how would I determine which model would bolt up to the Green Machine Model 3000 LP trimmer base? The help is really appreciated. Thanks

That large black unit is the coil. I do not know any purchasing processes but a part # is probably on the coil. Was the coil tested on a coil tester that shows itâÂÂs voltage to produce fire ? Do you have the small 1â ext module that works with the coil (attached)? If so, how do you know the module is not the problem? Please post pics of your engine with the coil showing if possible.

This unit came with a string trimmer and hard edging blade attachments that fits at mid shaft.

Will take it apart this weekend and post photos so folks can see the parts. Thanks for that good suggestion.

On the older 3000, the points were located under the starter
cup/rotor, then the later ones came with the metal bolt on style trigger unit like Loger has.

MantonJohn, Good Point! There might just be some dirty points under the flywheel causing a lack of fire (if the coil was not put to a good test). IMO, points (an open and moving part) will be the most likely bad part to cause no fire. Between the Coil and Module I would have to flip a coin since I have not experience one to be bad.

Grombo, While you are in there, ck the strength on your magnet to hold a ýâ socket and air gap at .010 or index card thickness. Please ck my memory on these specks. If you have not ever looked under the fly and you are not seeing an ext module (but it could be int), you might be surprised at what you find and can fix.

Good Luck Troubleshooting, Have Fun and Take Your Time pulling the fly. I used a little penetrating oil, tighten the puller 2-3 times, mildly popped the crank with a flat punch with the nut at the top to protect threads And Bingo!

hello. I am trying to find the model number of my old green machine weedeater. My coil start spring broke and I am trying to find out part number and maybe a whole assembly. It looks like this spring would be a beast to put in.

My Local Parts Dealer told me The Green Machine’s parts are the same as Red Max. They had the fuel tank grommet I needed listed under Red Max.

Please post a pics of the recoil assembly from “inside, outside and broken spring”. The fellow I donated my working motor to probably still has it. The Local Dealer said he had a new “Old Green Machine Motor” in his stack approx 3 years ago. After seeing the spring and housing I feel it will be found.

My G/M was given to me approx 1990 and was 10-15 years old then. My Green Machine (attached) was Model 3000 LP. My pics are not verifying that and location found. *** Is yours as old or newer?? It was Old Powerful And Heavy. The contact at the link below should be able to tell you where the # is located.

http://www.ktoutdoor.com/greenmachine_green_machine_parts_page.htm

I have a John Deere "The Green Machine" very old. It is an edger or trimmer that I am told needs a ignition coil pack. I think it is a model # 1910 power unit HMC, series # 11-015352. It has another number on it 199502?? It has a metal blade. Where can I can a coil pack?

A Local Dealer sold me Red
Max parts that he said are the same.
That was true for gas tank grommets vs me knowing about other
parts. I gave the Running Green Machine
to a friend that probably still has it in his Small Engine Collection.

The unit that was given to me
had a split shaft with a string trimmer and a hard edging blade attachment. It
was too short for my bad back and I adapted a long straight shaft with the hard
blade only. It Had Power To Spare... Now the long shaft is packing a “later, lighter
Echo Head” with good power and easy starting.

Komotsu Zenoah (currently sold under RedMax)(now owned by

Husqvarna :-( ) is the company that made these for a while and they were sold under Stihl and Echo in the 70\80's and many parts like the clutch into the 90's. (I have a few of them w\pts) So if u r looking for parts, don't get them under Redmax for i hear they are pricy. Look under Stihl fs80\6x or echo srm200 confirmed for many interchangable parts.

Grombo - i have a zenoah head i got recently it runs but wont run high (piston and cyl scored likely) email me if u want to compare notes on the ignition coil i could sell u.

Two suggestions if you are
into experimenting and have access to surplus “retired trimmers”, LOL! My experiments took time to find the proper
fitting parts. My 80s Green Machine Model
came with the split shaft that would take both Trimmer and Edger Attachments
(too short for my Back). Plus, it was
heavier than most and had power to spare.

1. I added a longer straight
shaft to my Green Machine for the longer length.

2. I later added a shaft to
one of my trimmers that would accept different attachments.

"I'm reading here where RedMax might be a suitable replacement."

From what I posted earlier, and like loger says ("retired" stuff) for the money, many old and current Stihl gearbox fit like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-STIHL-GEAR-BOX-ASSY-FITS-FS80AV-TRIMMER-4112-SERIES-OEM-OLDER-STYLE-/390614902818?hash=item5af2766822:g:wNUAAOxyKsZRxOjv

but this one should also fit your trimmer:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-STIHL-GEAR-BOX-ASSY-FITS-FS80AV-TRIMMER-4112-SERIES-OEM-OLDER-STYLE/282070630079?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36860%26meid%3Dc5b7da46c7684c1a944e6497d70d37d6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D390614902818

measure your shaft diameter jic.

as I have posted before, look for (old) fs60-5 fs80,1,6.

fyi: yours looks like my Zenoah also sold as stihl fs86...

Thank you! Maybe I can make friends with someone at a repair shop who will have time and resources to experiment. May need to wait till winter when they're not so busy...

Appreciate your help!

jaydbrown - my 2800 finally bit the dust. Was going to throw it away b/c I was so pissed. I have the part you need.

I need a new carburetor for a Green Machine Model 3000 S/S part number 300201 Carb Assy in manual but think this is new carburetor. Not sure as I could not find serial number on machine but when I have ordered parts long time ago they always put 20011-85400- then part number.. I bought the machine for my dad about 1975 to 1980.

George, does yours have the same carb as this: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/stihl-fs80-trimmer-engine-model-boat-173329929 ? It looks similar in what i could make out in a GM scanned manual.

There is a workaround substitution for this carb being no longer made. I have the original one laying around that i rebuilt a few years ago, but it may put you back to square 1 because i don't know if it works or not.

Hi All. Great Blog! I am looking for a replacement coil and spark plug lead for a green machine model 4000M - exploded parts diagram shows numerous component parts and numbers _ I need the whole assy - coil plus leads - part number 400392 including spark plug lead with cap which appears fixed into my coil. This part number is from HMC written materials came with the brush cutter early 90"s. Great machine but finally no spark. I have on-line seen the model number described as UT-26023-A 4000m but I am not sure if that is strictly the same machine as I have - I dont find any reference to UT-26023-A in my written materials. Can anyone still help? Hate to throw such a great work horse! Steve (from Australia)

EBay Steve , just use your model & serial numbers !