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electric log splitters

Posted by docRx maryland (My Page) on
Wed, Aug 24, 05 at 23:07

Hi- Anyone have any opinion or are using a Fisch or Ryobi electric log spltter. Thanks doc Rx


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RE: electric log splitters

Do a forum search, this subject has been discussed recently.


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I started a thread about 4 pages back titled DR electric log splitter.
I was surprised that the people that actually had or used one seemed to like them.
No one tried to compare the performance to a good gas powered splitter.
It seems like they have their place.


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New to this forum but I have demo the Ryobi 4 ton log splitter here are some links where I posted the results on Hearthnet.com
http://www.hearth.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.cgi/ceilidh/?C3416002201Ve-5713-1353-30.htm

Followup from a person that just bough one
http://www.hearth.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.cgi/ceilidh/?C343b1a01aTF0-5720-1355+1e.htm

My follow up after I worked for an hour

http://www.hearth.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.cgi/ceilidh/?C3416002201Ve-5718-771+1e.htm

The quest for the perfect electric log splitter continued
http://www.hearth.com/cgi-bin/ceilidh.cgi/ceilidh/?C3416002201Ve-5718-1359-30.htm

I hope this info helps you


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  • Posted by Bogi cMN (My Page) on
    Mon, Sep 5, 05 at 16:38

I built one. It was constucted the same as a gas type...but I equipped it with an electric 5hp motor at 220v. It worked better than a gas unit and.....soooo quiet. Another benefit of a 220v electric is not many people have exterior 22 available so they don't ask to borrow it!


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"Another benefit of a 220v electric is not many people have exterior 22 available so they don't ask to borrow it!"
Sounds like the main benefit to me. :)


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elkimmeg,

I was interested enough in the subject to use the links your provided. Neither the first nor the second link works. I'm using cut-and-paste, so it isn't a typo problem at my end.


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I had no problem with the links. Didn't find much of use in the reviews though. Seems to come down to 'yeah they work but I'm not satisfied'. Same impression I have had of the advertising pictures I have seen. Stamped metal, 4 ton usual power, light armitures. No, they aren't a serious wood splitting tool on the face of it. Okay for someone who is disabled and only splitting small diameter clear grain wood but...

Harry K


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I've used the Ryobi splitter on stringy elm that was a royal pain to split with a maul. I kept the logs about 10-12" in diameter and threw the bigger stuff in a gully for fill. It does fine as long as you don't try to use it for 16" forked trunks and such. Not bad for $299 and electricity is cheaper than gas.


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I have re-posted the links. They are on a time limit and expire after 30 days, sorry I did not realize that. So if interested go to Hearthnet forums and my recent post elkimmeg and you should find what you need. If you don't I will cut and paste them here. I will demo Ramsplitters 12 ton electric splitter soon and post my results. When one approaches 12 tons and 20" log length we are talking serious power, that should handle most splitting chores


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I've tried all the electric log splitters on the market until I finally found the omegasplit at the www.omegasstores.com a few weeeks ago. I got the 2006 model with the 9 tons power, and needless to say how happy I am. It split all kind of wood, quiet and very easy to use. I know there are others out there for maybe less money but they are just useless.

Here is a link that might be useful: log splitter


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Have you tried the Ramsplitter 12 ton electric splitter? $100 less than your Omega wimpy 9ton girly splitter. Its not that compact Chinese unit. It has real tow able wheels, a real hydraulic pump, and real reservoir, I mean a real splitter.
Ok! Half kidding. I would love to try the 7 and 9- ton Omega splitters, and compare them to the DR splitter and my 12 Ramsplitter, so that the consumers have a real comparison and make informed choices. I contacted Omega and they refused a demo. I live in MA., 3 hours drive each way away just for the chance. Hearthnet forum where I have written related articles. It gets 300,000 hits a month. I also offered to provide direct links should his products prove worthy. This guy is so distrustful; he thinks all are out to scam him. I was trying to help him. Do you live in New England? I would love to bring my splitter demo yours you demo mine and collectively draw some conclusions?


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Hey ELkimmeg, who is the REALY girly man around here? I got a 15lb Monster Maul. Now that is the way to split firewood, no fooling around with machine and bull! Just set up log and whack, boom it splits. By the time you are driving all around creation testing your machine, I'll have 3 loads of wood split.


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"Hey ELkimmeg, who is the REALY girly man around here?"
hahahahaha!

Really, electric splitters producing 12 tons or less force. These are real splitters? hahahahahaha! Of course the Omega guy is suspicious, anybody trying to sell a dubious product is usually suspicious of anyone wanting to demo it.

I had coffee come out my nose after reading this thread. I'm with Glenncz, get a maul.


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Already split 14 cords by hand this year. I was hoping that there was an easier way. I burn two wood stoves 24-7. Can pictures be posted here? I will post my log supply if any doubt the 14 cords


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"Can pictures be posted here? I will post my log supply if any doubt the 14 cords"
elkimmeg

I don`t doubt it at all, I know how easy it is once you get a rhythym. I do almost all(more than 14 cord) of my own the same way even though I have a hydraulic splitter.

I have used underpowered splitters and found that you are better off with a maul.


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I'm with barbedwire: I am at about 10 cord and only the last 1 was done on my hydraulic. That was because I had the work area beat down into flour dust and it got too dirty to split manually. The hydraulic is faster but I need the excercise. Making wood is about the only excercise I get any more (70 yoa) and I'll be da**d if I will pay to excercise at a club.

Harry K


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I wanted the quietness, being able to split in my semi heated garage. Not another gas engine to manitain. Power on demand. I might add, with the Barns Hydro pump, should I find it not enough power, it is capable of supporting over 20 tons. The 4 way hydro vlave can be adjusted from 2250 psi to 3000. The motor can be wired to 220 which produces 2 hp The hydro piston can be up-graded to 16 tons 3.5" or 4" 20 tons And I could lenghten the bed. My stoves can only take 18" logs so being limited to 20" is not an issue. I demo the Ryobi 4 ton splitter Not bad. The real plus the Ryobi had, was the ability to handle 20" lenghts. Many 4 ton electric splitters use 12" strokes and are limited to 14.5" lenghts. My acid test was, an 8" by 16" Americam Rock Elm. The Ryobi stopped dead in its tracks. The 12 ton grunted a second shifted into the lower power stroke speed and pushed threw (IT's the two speed Hydro valve designed to kick back the speed for power) I then put a 14 /16" Elm in with some branches in (Meaning not straight grained wood) again it defaulted to the power stroke, but is pushed through, this real knarly wood. That impressed me the most. I knew if it could split Elm that thick it was able to handle any thing else I have here. This is a real splitter the Omega splitters gold is 7 tons and only $40 less the 2006 9ton is 60$ more for cheap Chinesse made splitters. I paid $740 delivered. I also can swap the Electric motor to a gas in less than 5 minutes, so I can have the best of both worlds.


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I currently own a Wallenstein 3-pt hitch.hydrolic splitter. work great - but am looking for an electric model.

any thoughts on the Omega 9ton splitter.

Is it American made?

How well does it handle the advertised 24"diam log?

Does it come with a 4-way head?

I called the company this day and got a recording saying they're on vacation???????????????

thanks Leon


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Information on log splitter hydraulics
(some math is involved)

A quick primer on hydraulics used on typical log splitters
For the purpose of this example we will say we have a 10-ton force requirement. Since there are 2,000lbs in a ton, this means we will be developing 20,000lbs of force.
Our fictional log splitter will have a 3" bore hydraulic cylinder.
We need 20,000lbs, we have a 3" bore cylinder
The area of the piston the pressure can push on in the cylinder when extending is 7.0686 sq-inches.
This is arrived at by taking the bore 3", squaring it, then multiplying the answer by .7854 as we are dealing with circular area not square - the cylinder is round.
3x3 = 9 x.7854 = 7.0686
We need 20,000lbs of push force, and we now know we have 7.0686 sq inches of area to push on.
If we take 20,000 and divide it by 7.0686 we see the pressure required (in pounds per square inch)in the cylinder to develop 10 tons (20,000lbs)of force.
2,829.41psi
Since we have friction to deal with, and some pressure drops in the hydraulic system to account for, we will say the pressure will be 3,000psi.
The typical log splitter uses a gear type pump, and many advertisements say something like "with Barnes 11gpm 2-stage pump".
What is a 2-stage pump?
If you take our 3,000psi requirement, and the 11gpm flow rate of the pump we run into a problem. It takes 19.25 HP to develop 3,000psi at 11gpm. We see log splitters with 5hp driving them and not 20HP so what gives?
The secret is the 2-stage pump. 2-pumps in one. The large section produces say 9gpm and the small section produces 2gpm for a total of 11gpm.
The larger pump section will only develop up to 500psi then it unloads leaving just the small 2gpm section to produce the force. (Once the ram hits the log we need pressure (force), not high speed (high flow)to split the log.) The high speed is the no-load traverse to rapid retract, and extend the ram quickly until it encounters the log. For that both pump sections are in play, and since we are really only dealing with friction moving the ram on the bed we will be well below the 500psi cut-out of the large stage and get the full 11gpm flow. When the ram hits the log the pressure quickly rises, and the main pump unloads, leaving just our 2gpm pump section.
2gpm at 3,000psi equates to 3.5hp (Splitting mode)
11gpm at 500psi equates to 3.21hp. (Rapid extend/retract)
This now looks like the typical log splitter power requirement and makes sense.
Incidentally these are gear type pumps and spinning at 3,600rpm the "large gear section" with it's 2 gears would be roughly the size of a quarter, and the small section would have gears about the size of a dime, or they may vary the gear width and leave the diameters the same.
Externally the pump will often have a single inlet, and a single outlet so it is not readily apparent there are 2 pump sections internally.
We add a few more valves primarily a maximum pressure relief valve, a check valve to isolate the low pressure section from the high pressure section, a low pressure unloading valve for the large pump section and a directional control valve to make the cylinder extend and retract. Finish it up with a reservoir and a return filter and you have a functional system.
To reduce load for starting we have a 3-position directional valve.
In the center the pump is diverted to tank just circulating the fluid without pressure build up reducing the load for starting. To extend and split the wood you push the lever one way, and to retract you pull it the other. Some designs use a pressure centered valve that remains in the position you put the lever until maximum pressure is developed at which point it kicks the valve to neutral.

Hope this was helpful in assisting everyone understand their logsplitter a little more than before.
Not enough space to get too in-depth here but that should help I hope.


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Leon,

"I called the company this day and got a recording saying they're on vacation?"

Well, this is kind of "off season" for log splitters. I'm not surprised they are on vacation.

"...am looking for an electric model."

I also plan to get an electric log splitter. I have pretty much settled on this H16 Ramsplitter with a 1.5hp 110v or a 2hp 220v electric motor option.

It is a 16-ton electric splitter. I haven't decided yet whether to have the motor wired for 110v or 220v operation. If I go 220v for 2hp, I will have to get an electrician to put a 220-volt outlet in the garage. If I go with the 110-volt option, the 1.5hp electric motor will draw about 17 amps, which will be on the verge of tripping our 20-amp circuit breaker for the garage circuit.

Ramsplitter's website is woefully out of date and this H16E electric splitter isn't even shown there. They do list the electric motor option for their H12 12-ton splitter. Besides the wiring of the electric motor, the only difference between the H12 electric and the H16 electric is that the H12 electric has a 3-inch hydraulic cylinder and the H16 electric has a 3" cylinder.

The Ramsplitter website shows movies of a four-way splitter option that I think I would like to get, but I don't see any description of that either. They really need to re-work that website to show more information about their electric splitters. Maybe they're on vacation, too.

The following is a quotation from an email response that Ramsplitter sent me about my enquiry about the H16 with an electric motor option:

"Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Yes, we have the 16 ton and it has now had time to be tested by a few customers. We are selling this unit for the $899 price and this would get you the 3 1/2" cylinder. We will be adding this splitter to our website in the near future, but if you would like to order it you can contact me at 866-967-1965 or order the H16-1 and in the comments area put that you would like Electric. Also, this splitter does get a 2 HP upgrade and we prefer to wire this unit at 220 VAC. It can be wired to 115 VAC but the amperage is about 17 amps."

I guess I will email them asking about the four-way splitter option.

MM

P.S. I arrived at my selection of the Ramsplitter H16 electric based on messages posted by elkimmeg in the electric log splitters message thread in this forum.


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Wow! I linked back to this same "old" message thread. I didn't notice that we had "revived" a really old thread.

MM


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Leon,

I emailed Doug Davidson at Ramsplitter and asked about the four-way splitter option and about the likelihood of the 1.5hp electric motor tripping a 20-amp circuit breaker. I also mentioned that their website needs to be updated. He replied promptly:

"Yes, we have had no problems running the 1.5 HP on a 20 Amp breaker. We have had no problems with tripping the circuit. The four way wedge is $100 additional. We are in the process of updating the website and performing some regular maintanance.
Thanks
Doug Davidson"

Based on that, I'm thinking I will go with the 110-volt 1.5hp option on the electric motor on the H16E and, at $100, the four-way wedge looks like a useful optional add-on. The 16 tons of ram force could come in handy with the four-way wedge.

However, my guess is that the 12-ton model would handle most wood with ease, but I like the idea of having an extra 4 tons of force available if I need it. And the price difference isn't a lot.

Now I need to rearrange a few things in the garage to make room for the thing. It's going to be nice to be able to split firewood during the winter in the relative comfort of our garage, without making a lot of gas engine fumes or noise.

MM


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thanks to all [esp MM and fpda31] re my inquiry re an electric log splitter.

Yesterday split about 4 cord with my JD4310 and Wallenstein hydrolic splitter (with 4-way head)this setup breezes through knarled locust and anthing else I can put in front of it. so...

as mentioned in a previous posting would like an electric machine that can come close to the performance of the above setup.

I've pretty much written off the Omega 9Ton - as I can't speak with anyone at the company - even after their vacation. I wanted to know if their units are made in USA.

thanks to the postings above - I'm looking into the Ramsplitter 16, 1.5hp, 110v.

any thoughts on whether this Ramsplitter can equal my current setup

thanks again - Leon


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I just posted a note re the Ramsplitter 16E - did a search and
found info suggesting problems with the unit(s).

so I guess I'm back at square 1.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://gigarange.biz/ramsplitter.html


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Leon,

Thanks for posting the link to the problems that Sellcom had with Ramsplitter. Sellcom's criticism of Doug Davidson, the Log Splitter Source, the Rockford Fabrications company, and Ramsplitter quality control certainly gives me reason to seriously reconsider my planned purchase of the Ramsplitter 16E.

However, the electric Fisch splitters (made in Taiwan) that Sellcom now recommends develop only 5 tons of ram force, which puts them down in a class with Home Depot's Ryobi 4-ton electric splitters. Several posts in different message threads have suggested that four tons just isn't enough to deal with "difficult" logs. I still have a few large oak trees on the ground now, with several more trees in need of felling. My experience with manually splitting oak logs tells me that it is much harder to split them than several other species of trees.

At the present time I don't know of a good alternative to the 12-ton or the 16-ton electric Ramsplitters, so I am going to do some more investigation before eliminating them as candidates. There apparently is a 12-ton electric model with a 1 HP 110 volt 3450 rpm electric motor from Bachtold Brothers, but I don't know anything about it. Here is a picture of it. It's a little pricey at $1299.95


As I said in my earlier message, I based my suggestion of the electric Ramsplitter 16E based on elkimmeg's favorable experience with the electric H12-3 Ramsplitter and his installation of the 3" hydraulic cylinder to upgrade it to 16 tons of ram force.

I'm in no position to defend Ramsplitter or Doug Davidson, but I did note that SellCom said that they "...spent over a quarter of a million dollars with him...", which tells me that SellCom sold quite a few Ramsplitters before they had a falling out. Out of that many Ramsplitters sold, you would expect there would be some problems. Ramsplitter's dealer list shows a dealer near us and I plan to contact that dealer to see what they know about this. It would be nice if they had an electric Ramsplitter on the floor, but even if they don't, I might be able to get them to order one with the agreement that I could inspect it before taking it home, and not accept it until any defects were fixed.

MM


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MM Thanks for the detailed update - Including the Ramspliiter dealer list. found one about an hrs drive and will call to see if they have one to view.

also checked out Bachtold Bros - nice but pricey.

Contacted the Wallenstein splitter manufacturer:
EMB. MFG. INC.(sales@embmfg.com) to inquire whether they make an electric splitter. as mentioned previously, I have the tractor/hydrolic splitter w 4-way head. their response is 'not at this time' - this unit pushes through locust, hickory and the red oak you mentioned. although one could convert this splitter to electric - the cost of the electric
motor could approach that of the splitter in question.

so I'll check out the Ramsplitter 16E - hopefully on the showroom floor - and if you like will keep you updated

Leon


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Leon,

Yes, do keep us updated on what you find. I will do likewise. Right now the Bachtold Model HE-21 is the only 12-ton electric alternative to Ramsplitter that I know of, but the Bachtold Bros website is being revamped, so it is not very informative. That website has been "coming soon" for at least half a year now, so that is a little suspicious.

The Ramsplitter website is also several months overdue for an update, because it doesn't even mention their 16-ton electric splitter.

Canns-Bilco is one of the distributors for Bachtold Bros equipment, but I didn't see a list of their Bachtold dealers on their site.

MM


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Their is a splitter on ebay that looks a lot like a Ramsplitter but cheaper with free shipping. Link is

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOG-SPLITTER-HYDRAULIC-12-16-TON-GAS-ELEC-WOOD-SPLITER_W0QQitemZ280020339324QQihZ018QQcategoryZ29520QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

In reading the negative posting about Ramsplitter, it seemed to me like that quality might be OK but that they were having problems from sabotage by a disgruntled employee. Surprised that the employee would work there long enough to create that much bad will but hopefully, he or she is gone.

I figured that I bought one, I would just carefully check every nut an bolt on it. If they honor their warranty, anything else would be handled too.


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I noticed that the Ramsplitter price is the same for the electric motor and one with the gasoline engine.

Bachtold has a choice too but their prices are $500 higher for the gasoline engine which seems to make more sense. It seems like a gasoline engine would be more expensive to make than an electric one.


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Dmullen,

As far as I know, none of the manufacturers of log splitters make the engines or motors or hydraulic pumps that they use. They buy them at whatever wholesale quantity prices they can negotiate and assemble them as components of their log splitters.

There are good, better, and best prices in each category. A quality electric motor could easily cost more than a budget gasoline engine.

MM


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It's been a while since my last posting - I'm writing with some additional input for those seeking an electric splitter.

I had a chance to see the Bachtold Brothers HE-21 'upclose'[at Power Center in Bloomsburg PA]... and am not impressed the bicycle type wheels and sheet metal construction... this would not last long in my woodlot.

Also let a message with Doug Davidson at Ramsplitter re H16E:

1. cycle time
2. gauge of steel used
3. advantage of 3 1/2 vs 3" cylinder

I'll all advised when I get the info

Leon


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Leon,

I notice that your original link regarding SellCom dumping RamSplitter has been updated to include that September 1st was a deadline for the instigation of a lawsuit against SellCom by Rockford Fabrications (makers of RamSplitter), to be followed by a possible counter suit. Have you heard anything recent on that?

I am still considering the Bachtold HE-21. At first I was "put off" by the bicycle wheels, but like on a high-wheel mower, they would be a bit easier to move over rough terrain. If they did fail, they could be replaced easily enough. I am a bit concerned by your observation about the Bachtold's sheet metal construction. I do like their log tray, which holds and returns the big piece of the wood for convenient repositioning for another split. Perhaps my usage will not be as severe as your woodlot would.

I haven't ruled out the RamSplitter H16E, but some of the negative emails on SellCom's website are quite troublesome to me. And any lawsuits could complicate things.

I see that Omega has a 2007 logsplitter model.

MM


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Has anyone looked at the RamSplitter HV16E? The horizontal/vertical version?

It's not on their website, but they are selling it on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOG-SPLITTER-HYDRAULIC-16-TON-GAS-ELECTRIC-HORZ-VERTCAL_W0QQitemZ280040132947QQihZ018QQcategoryZ29520QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Doug says they did have some supply and quality problems last year, but that things are just fine now. He says it was due to growing from 50 units a year to many hundred per year.

In any case, any opinions about a vertical option in addition to horizontal splitting?


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Mike,

I think it would be easier to load really heavy logs into the vertical configuration. But it looks like it would be harder to load the HV16E in the horizontal position. That seems like more of a transporting position. Did Doug say why they are marketing on eBay?

MM


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He says the horizontal/vertical unit can be used in either position just fine. Although when used in horizontal mode, the lots fall at your feet. Isn't that the case with all horizontal/vertical splitters though?

No, he didn't say why they are marketing on ebay... but his feedback there is 99% positive...


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Mgainvt, Mike,

I wonder how they handle the engine mount on the vertical/horizontal models. I suppose an electric motor isn't too fussy about how it is oriented, but a gasoline engine needs to stay at least approximately upright.

"Although when used in horizontal mode, the lots fall at your feet. Isn't that the case with all horizontal/vertical splitters though?"

Some splitters have a standard or optional tray that receives at least one of the split pieces. For example, the Bachtold HE-21 has a tray that follows the ram to keep the main piece handy for repositioning to split off another piece. The split-off pieces fall on the ground or floor on the far side of the machine. This arrangement is particularly efficient if you are splitting a log into more than two pieces.

There is a logsplitter workbench that carries this a step further and provides an aid for loading a log onto a horizontal splitter.

MM


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On Omega Stores' Log splitters - Be Careful!!!

See http://www.complaints.com/ for details (search for Omega or "Log splitters").

Why do you so innocently believe that a 9 ton splitter is any different than a 4 ton splitter, just because they advertise it thusly? When I got my Omega "9T" (so labeled on the box with a stick on label pasted over "7T") I went to their web site and found their parts list. They only have one -- same part numbers for all models! I paid a couple of hundred extra bucks for a label on the shipping box!!

In fact the Chinese-made Omega splitter looks suspiciously like the 4 ton splitter at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Fisch-LS-8000-4-Ton-Electric-Splitter/dp/B00006AVZC)

Here is a link that might be useful: Omega Stores - Big hustle!


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One more thing on Omega -- I suggest you try to communicate with them BEFORE you buy. Phone number or email; neither worked for me, at least, after I made the purchase. Consider this just in case you ever need warranty service.


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Leon,

Thanks for the info about Omega Stores. They should answer their phone and email. I do want to comment on your complaint, in which you said,

" I questioned why the three models would have different forces when the motor appeared to be the same. The representative claimed there was a difference in the hydraulics. However, I later found a parts list online at OmegaStores and all three models have the same component parts!"

It's possible that the 9-ton model could have everything the same, except have a slightly larger diameter hydraulic cylinder. The electric motor and the hydraulic pump could be the same between the different models, but a slightly larger diameter on the hydraulic cylinder could easily make the difference between 7 tons and 9 tons of force. Since you have the same motor and hydraulic pump, you get the extra ram force by trading for a slightly longer cycle time from the larger capacity hydraulic cylinder. The delivered ram force is equal to the hydraulic fluid pressure times the surface area of the hydraulic piston in the hydraulic cylinder.

That was the case on the Ramsplitter 12-ton electric and the Ramsplitter 16-ton electric that I was considering. Simply by substituting a nominal 3" diameter hydraulic cylinder for a nominal 3" diameter hydraulic cylinder, with everything else the same, except possibly for a decal, the 12-ton Ramsplitter model becomes a 16-ton model.

I was willing to trade a few seconds of cycle time for an extra 4 tons of ram force. Of course, if a person never needed the extra 4 tons of ram force, they might be better off with the 12-ton model and a slightly faster cycle time.

The poor packing and the damage in transit that you experienced are not limited to Omega Stores. I have experienced the same problem with several other companies as well. A lot of reasonably well-respected online stores don't repack their imports from China in UPS-standard packaging. They simply slap shipping labels on the boxes they imported. If you or I attempted to ship something like that via UPS, they wouldn't let us do it and we would have to use much better cushioned shipping boxes. The companies apparently get special treatment from the shippers.

Obviously Omega Stores shouldn't have put you through all that hassel to get a working "9T" splitter. However, they may have used an onhand "7T" box to ship you an actual 9-ton rated splitter. It depends primarily on the inside diameter of the hydraulic cylinder on your unit. Let us know if you have any more trouble with the unit. Omega's poor customer support to you will probably cost them a sale of their Logsplitter Workbench to me. I do get annoyed by companies who don't answer their phones or emails.

I still haven't decided on which log splitter I will purchase. I'm undecided between Ramsplitter and Bachtold. Fortunately we have an onhand supply of stacked split wood, because there is a chill in our Maine air.

MM


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The best electric logsplitter is the Super Split. The motor drives twin flywheels which power a rack and pinion ram. The cycle time is less than 3 seconds. It slams the wood instead of pushing it. Much like a hand maul slams the wood. The ram is on a return spring and comes back very quickly. No bid HP requirement to keep the flywheels spinning. Hydraulic splitters have a long recycle time. The Super Split is not inexpensive and may be more productive than you require. Their site has an impressive video clip of the machine in operation.

Here is a link that might be useful: Super Split


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Just a point of information for anyone interested in the original (now old) post - I bought a Fisch splitter second hand a while ago and I finally got around to trying it out this weekend. It's obviously not in the same class as many of the other splitters discussed in this thread, but I thought it worked surprisingly well for such a compact splitter (hardly takes up any room in the garage). It takes a little longer on big stuff, but I was able to split some logs that were way bigger than it is rated for (all that I tried). It isn't the speediest thing in the world, but you make up some time because you can stack as you go (no pieces go flying out of reach). It is also nice that you can also get pretty much the exact cuts you want on each log - something I suspect you can do with almost any power splitter though.

I don't think it is for someone who heats with wood, but it is probably fine for the average homeowner who runs a woodstove or fireplace on the weekends and the occasional weekday evening. I'll need to give it at least one more run before I decide for sure, but I think I am going to be glad I bought it.

Greg


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  • Posted by canguy British Columbia (My Page) on
    Sun, Oct 29, 06 at 21:47

We see a machine called Gripo that appears virtually identical to the Super Split although the electric option is not available. An electric motor would be nice but there would be a fairly heavy starting load. It is fast and they strongly recommend that it is designed for a one person operation. A second pair of hands loading could get badly hurt if the operator is careless.
The beam needs to be kept clean of debris and sprayed with Pam or something similar to keep pitch from building up. Otherwise the ram tends to hang up on the return stroke. Also there are some small bearings on the ram under the beam lip that need to be replaced fairly often. They reduce friction as the ram is forced up against the beam on the power stroke. The machine is impressive to watch and will process a lot of wood in a hurry.


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The Super Split and the Gripo aren't attractive to me for several reasons. The cost is one. The noise is another. If some Sunday morning I am in the garage splitting and re-splitting some logs for wood and kindling for the fireplace, I don't want to be making a lot of noise and waking up the household.

And what good is a 3-second cycle time to me when it can take me ten times that long to position the next log? I'm already the bottleneck in the operation, so a 3-second mechanical cycle time versus 20 seconds or so for a hydraulic machine doesn't sound that attractive to me.

MM


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Can anyone recommend a good electric log splitter? I was thinking about ordering from OmegaStores, but after reading the complaint against them, have decided against it. I am looking for a splitter that can split oak, and from what it sounds like, the 4 ton ryobi won't do the job. Anyone have any suggestions?

thanks


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Scottsman,

"I am looking for a splitter that can split oak, and from what it sounds like, the 4 ton Ryobi won't do the job. Anyone have any suggestions?"

Ramsplitter electrics should be able to split oak with 12-ton or 16-ton capacities. Presumably the Bachtold with a 12-ton capacity could do likewise.

Have you read all the messages and links above? If so, like me, you should be a bit confused by now. Mike Austin provided the link to the new eBay sales outlet for the horizontal/vertical Ramsplitter:

The horizontal/vertical configuration is a new choice in electric log splitters. In the vertical mode, it might take up less space in your garage and be a bit easier to load logs onto. I haven't ruled it out, although I haven't seen a picture of what the electric version looks like in the vertical position and in the horizontal position. The pictures show the gas version.

Mike Austin made the comment that, "Doug says they did have some supply and quality problems last year, but that things are just fine now. He says it was due to growing from 50 units a year to many hundred per year."

Doug represents Ramsplitter. I don't know if the eBay development means that previous sales channels for Ramsplitter have closed down. Ramsplitter did have a dealer network of sorts. You might check to see if you have a "Ramsplitter dealer" near you and see if they have anything in stock that they could show you.

I am undecided between one of the electric Ramsplitters or the Bachtold HE-21.

MM


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Mantis sells one and so does DR.

If I was going to get one, I would feel comfortable with those companies. This web site also has a few references to Craftsman or Sears splitters and Home Depot splitters but our local stores do not seem to stock those. They might be good too and if they weren't, the return policies at both companies is reasonable.

Trouble is that with shipping of an splitter , they are within a few hundred dollars of a much larger gas model locally with no shipping charges.


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Dmullen,

Thanks for pointing out the DR and the Mantis. However, the DR splitter is rated at only 6 tons and the Mantis SwiftSplit is rated at only 5 tons. Neither is a lot more powerful than the Ryobi, and both would be very questionable against large oak logs. I personally am not considering anything less than 12 tons.

MM


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Sorry, I thought that the poster was looking for a smaller unit.

I would like a larger one too and like you, would want at least 12 tons just in case. That Ramsplitter still looks good but after reading that negative posting, I would be cautious.


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Maineman,

Yes, I agree that the face area of the hydraulic piston will determine the force and that it is an exact trade-off with speed. Given, that the 9 ton model ought not to cost a lot more than the 5 ton -- unless there was also some structural beefing up. However, I remain skeptical since Omega Stores only has the one parts list. See http://www.omegastores.com/splitterparts.htm

Note that the part number, price and description remain the same regardless of which model you tell them you have.

Also the box was labeled 7t and the book inside. A 9T label was stuck over the top and a note was inside the box saying something to the effect that the new book hadn't been printed yet.

I believe that the claims by the splitter vendors ought to be verified in some way. The Connecticut government would be a likely candidate to do that but they apparently are not interested as they never responded to the report I sent them.

But back to your point: most consumers do not realize that force and speed are an inverse trade off for a given power (the motor horsepower). We could have any force we want if we are willing to wait maybe all day to split a log! So, that means that "force" is an incomplete specification -- we need to know the speed of the ram also. I have never seen that posted by any of the vendors.

Anyway, I am stuck with mine and that reminds me, I need to get off this computer and get out there and do some splitting!


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Leon,

"...we need to know the speed of the ram also. I have never seen that posted by any of the vendors."

Some vendors give the cycle times for their splitters, which is the time to complete a split and return to the ready position for insertion of the next log.

"...I remain skeptical since Omega Stores only has the one parts list."

You're right. Changing the splitter model selection has no effect on the parts shown or their prices. Maybe that Omega web page is broken.

"...I need to get off this computer and get out there and do some splitting!"

At least your Omega Splitter seems to be working OK, whatever model it actually is.

MM


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hello fellow log splitters. I purchased the omega 9ton about a year ago. ya it will split 20 x24 of willow but a more realistic example is a 14x14 of most any wood.As far as service from my omega dealer I would rate as fair.they do reply though.Now a really big tip there is a vent screw on the front top nearside if the hydro levers are on you right side.this has to be loosened for relief, I did not know this the first 3 times i used it, I think i over heated the pump.it dramtically reduced the force. Another grip I have is try to find the recomended oil for this unit, It is not readily avalible.Do any of you guys have any suggestions at mabye a auto parts store what the right oil might be? Thanks


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I've been obtaining data on various electric log splitters and just as many of you above have become numb with too much information. Surprise though that the last entry was almost a year ago, has the subject be lost? At this time I'm looking at the Pow R Kraft via NorthlineExpress.com as it is the cheapest with no shipping and handling charges.


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Johnnie,

The Pow 'R' Kraft splitter may be worth the money, but it is most likely a Chinese import of questionable quality, and there are obvious untruths in its description, which would be very troublesome to me.

For example, its single phase electric motor is described as "15 Amps-3 Horsepower", which a little calculation would show is an impossibility, at least here in the United States with standard 110-volt or 120-volt electric power. It would require a lot more voltage to get 3 horsepower out of 15 amps. Their description is also oddly worded, indicating that it is a translation from another language. I wonder how much satisfaction you would get from their two year warranty, and exactly who would you be dealing with? I think you should shop around a little more, or at least realize there are concerns about the Pow 'R' Kraft.

"Surprised though that the last entry was almost a year ago, has the subject been lost?"

There have been a few other message threads on log splitters (as a forum search for log splitters will show), but not a lot of new information. A couple of spammers pushing Omega log splitters came here several weeks ago and left a lot of bogus messages touting Omega, but the forum administrators purged most of those. The Omega outfit has accumulated a lot of customer complaints, so I wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole, even before their spammer crew hit this place. At one time they were one of my candidates, but the customer complaints and the spammer crew ended that. I think their products are also Chinese imports.

MM


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Does anyone have some knowledge about or experience with the DR electric/hydraulic wood splitter? There are two models: 5-ton and 6-ton. Also, I'd like some input as to whether it would have enough power to split oak and elm along with other hard woods which have branches and are not straight grained wood. I've read all the postings in the forum and based on that input the only other electric splitter I'd consider is the 12 ton Ramsplitter, however, I'm uneasy about it due to posted comments. What has been entirely missing from comment has been the two DR electric wood splitters. They seem to be solidly built, reliable and efficient splitters. Does this translate to a splitter that in fact does the job in the real world? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.drpower.com/


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An enlightening series of postings! I was all set to order the OmegaStores 6 ton Electric Splitter and have held off on the purchase. I suppose we get what we pay for! It would appear that the consensus is to only buy a splitter that has at least 12 tons of thrust?

Would the Omega Splitter for $500 be worth it, they have a special on at the moment? I need to split a variety of wood, some hard (oak, black cherry) some birch and some softer wood such as pine.

Have enjoyed the various perspectives, thanks.


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Malcolmd,

The majority of complaints filed at complaints.com in the category of Electric Log Splitters have been against Omega. That alone eliminated them from my list of candidates.

MM


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wolfbird,
My father in law got a DR 5 ton splitter last year & it has been working fine.
Him & I have been helping his daughter split up a few trees she had taken down. One was a 40 year old oak a good 30" at the base. You just can't split those pieces down the middle usually, but you sort of need to work it from the edges. Sometimes a knot will stymie us, but I take that piece since I have a large fireplace that can handle it.
I imagine the 6 ton unit would work a bit better, but nothing has broken on his yet & we have really put it to the test.
In general it goes through smaller stuff fairly easily. We have also been splitting maple & walnut. The large 30" trunk pieces need 2 people, but the smaller stuff can be done alone. With 2 people working it you can get a real production line going.


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Hello, I saw your comment on the Omega log splitters on the Garden Web site forum. I am so glad I saw that because I can't seem to find anything much other than the DR Power log splitters and the Omegastores websites. I noticed the Omegastores web site states they don't sell the 4 and 5 ton splitters as "their customers" state they just don't do the job. You got the 9 ton, just don't have that kind of moolah, was thinking on the 7 ton. This female has no common sense about mechanics on anything, have you heard about the 7 ton from anyone and its reliability of Omega's under 9 ton as you have?


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I saw an ad this week from Mantis and it looks like they are selling a small electric splitter.

Also, last spring, I was in a local Home Depot and they had just closed out one of theirs for the season and they said that they were not discontining them, just making more floor space available for other items that were in season.


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I am considering purchase of an electric splitter due to space and noise. I'm used to a gas 25 ton and find it hard to believe a 5,6, or even 12 ton can come close to enough power to bust a log that makes a gas unit groan or stop. I've read all the above threads and some good info thanks. No one has experience with the DR 6 ton which I'm considering. Pricey at $775 total but the only one that doesn't take both hands for controls and safety switch of the smaller units. 1.8hp and 2.8" ram. The Ramsplitter has 1.5hp and 3" which gives it double the tonnage? Come on....Is it worth an additional $65? Maybe. It looks more like a real splitter but the DR has a 6 month return policy that no one else has plus a 2 year warrantee. I hope I'm not wasting my time by ordering then having to send it back. Anyone have experience with the DR 6 ton?


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makeitsnow,

"I was wondering if you bought one and which one did you decide. I'm trying to decide between the Ramsplitter and DR 6 ton. DR has 6 months financing and 6 months return."

In response to your email, no, I haven't purchased a splitter yet. There have been serious complaints about the RamSplitter here in this forum, as you may have seen. We made it through the winter with the split wood we had on-hand, so I will readdress this decision next fall. I think DR has a better reputation for dealing with customer complaints than RamSplitter has. If RamSplitter is still welding their products together without use of a welding jig, as has been suggested in this forum, it is likely that their "free hand" welding will continue to produce occasional defective products. It seems inconceivable to me that they would not use a welding jig. I like their high-ton electric specs.

If I were going to purchase an electric splitter right now, which I am not, it would probably be the Bachtold Brothers 12-ton model HE-21 that I mentioned in my message back on Tue, Aug 22, 06 at 5:27. I like the fact that it has a moving tray that returns the un-split portion of the log to you for convenient repositioning for the next split. It is rather expensive, though. And it doesn't have the ease of positioning that a vertical splitter has.

I think there is a good chance that the DR would handle most of your logs and, for those (hopefully few) that it can't handle, you could always resort to the old "sledge and wedge" method.

MM


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Hi guys, if you need an electric, just get the
Dr 6 ton and b done with it. My FIL go tone and does lots of Quercus kellogii with it.

Its not my 27 ton gasser MTD, but as others have pointed out most pieces dont need that much power. Unit is solid, and if a piece stalls whacing on the back of the piece wiht 5 pound sledge usually gets it thru. It also helps to nibble from edge in on big stuff, and angle the piece to start the split on tough logs.

Again, not a gasser, bu tnice lil unit. If I did not get mine for almost free, I would have been bummed they did not have Dr electric-hydraulics back when I got mine.

Ps the guy who posted aobut how they work made a great post!

pss, i usually dont like Dr stuff, too yuppie-pricey to suit me. This thing is worth it, IMHO.


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Ok.. since gas and electric were mentioned on this post, How about adding an air powered splitter to the mix ? A 12 ton is available for $ 349.00 plus 50 shipping. Just type in air powered splitters on a regular search and a few will pop up.
Basically a hydraulic jack powered by air. West coast minisplitters or something like that.
A 2 hp compressor is needed & 90 psi which almost any unit will do unless its a real cheapo that hangs from the wall. Its this one or a 7 ton electric because of the price. Would like to see a video but all they have is a couple of still pictures.


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My electric motor has given up.is it poss to convert a log splitter to a manual type without the motor. Ive seen a manual lever type log splitters without motors with force of around 7 tonne. Is this possible to convert & how would it be done??? any ideas??


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Gus,

I don't think it would be feasible, because the hydraulic pump is rotary and the manual types use a lever/piston arrangement with a check valve. It would probably be easier to simply replace the electric motor.

MM


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Hi guys,

I bought the DR 6 ton. It has it's limitations and slow but solid. Disappointed to see made in China. New trees cut down and it would split up to an 8 inch piece. 10 or so stopped it but the wood is green. Heavy unit at 170 pounds, it's not gonna fall over. Real low to the ground makes it hard on the back. The optional stand would be nice but would be difficult getting it on and off. Pretty pricey at almost $800 with shipping. Six month return policy but have to pay the $100 freight back now. I'll mostly be re-splitting delivered loads into smaller pieces and making kindling so should do what I need it for.


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Update on my DR log splitter. Works well for medium size logs and great for making kindling but started dripping oil out of the shaft in the front seal. I called and was told it's not being produced any more but had a few left. For warrantee I had to upgrade to an 8 ton gas model and pay shipping again or they would send me one of the last instock 6 tons for replacement. I took the replacement, no cost, sent to my door, and didn't want my old one. Good deal for sure until the new one breaks down.


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I made one out of scrap steel and a few parts....5hp 220vac engine pushing a 10.7GPM single stage pump through a Princess Auto valve. Its hooked to a 2.5'x18' thrust ram from some piece of mill equipment. Splits everything I've put in front of it. I increased the valve pressure to see if it'll push wood thru a cross-split knife and if that doen't work I'll put a 3.5-4' ram on it with a 2stage pump.I noticed that RAMSPLITS largest electric engine is 3hp. Mine should work much easier once I make the other changes.
Right now it sure does a good job and quiet. I'm going to put it on Utube under Homemade electric woodsplitters


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Hi,

A 3hp electric motor is equivalent to like a 11HP gas motor so a 3HP is a heavy duty motor and is more then enough for most people, not to mention the electricity consumption. If you have the ability to build log splitters that is great (wish I was that handy) but after all the costs of materials and time it may not be worth it to some people.

Here is a link that might be useful: electric log splitter


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does anyone know where to get a bark buster log splitter? i have a friend who has one of these and i know they can be dangerous but they sure make light work out of splittin firewood if your careful. any help would be great thanks.


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  • Posted by zenman Ottawa, KS 5b (My Page) on
    Wed, Jan 19, 11 at 16:43

Roger,

The Bark Buster wood splitter was recalled and discontinued some time ago.

ZM


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Hi, All.
I have a Central Machinery 4 ton splitter (model 40318), been in a shed for a few years. Pulled it out to do some work, and pffft. Almost nothing. The motor spins up fine, but the ram only moves about an inch and a half. Bleed screw's open. Checked oil--seems to be enough, looks clean. Anybody have any ideas?
Thanks!
Chuck


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You may have a air lock , try priming the hyd. pump and cracking the pressure side of the piston hose connection until fluid begins to drain . Ensure to tighten the connection before it reaches the stroke end . You normally require assistance on this procedure and may have to do it multiple times to purge out the air entrainment . If this does not help you may have pump or direction spool valve issues , since you have indicated that the oil reservoir was full and hopefully clean ? Ensure the filter or screen is not clogged .


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i just bought a powerhouse electric 7 ton log splitter. used it about 5 hours yesterday. split probably a cord and a half. (this was taking it off the trailer , splitting, then stacking it, so lot of walking) I was impressed with the splitter. I have been using a maul for the past 2 years and this splitter is a real nice piece of equipment. dont get me wrong it wont split 18 inch diameter stuff or anything but it will handle 12 to 14 inch if it has been seasoning for about 2 months. The powerhouse splitter sits close to the ground and is only 100 pounds so the first thing you want to do is build you a little table to get it to the right height. next there are 2 handles you must hold down to make sure you dont have you hand in the splitter. I made a bracket to hold both handles together. then i made a handle so i didnt have to bend over at all to activate the forward motion of the ram. next you need a good heavy duty 12-2 extension cord about 50 feet long. 19.5 amp motor needs 12-2 and must have a 20 amp breaker. I never tripped the breaker once. when i got a big piece it wouldnt split, instead of sitting the log all the way down in the splitter, i would hold the end up on the wedge so it was only biting about an inch or inch and a half of the wood. it would start splitting then back off on the ram arm and put the log all the way doen in the splitter. it would then split the log. this is for home use and for 400 dollars i cant complain.


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I'm late to this party, but let me add my 2 cents. I have one of the Ryobi electric splitters (Homelite branded from Home Depot, $300) that I have been using for 3 years. I share it with a friend, we each burn about 5 cords per year. It has been absolutely amazing!. I have split 18 in long 28 in. dia. oak rounds with this thing. With the exception of forgetting to open the bleeder screw and add hydraulic oil, it has been completely trouble free. No, it will no split those knotty, forked oak pieces, but the number of pieces I can't split is very small. We cut and split Doug Fir (as large as 36 in. diameter), lodgepole pine, white fir, western cedar and black oak. No gas required, no problems starting, I can pick it up by myself and put it in the back of my little Honda wagon. Not only that, you can hold a conversation while splitting. I did modify it with some very simple foot pedals so I don't have to bend over to run it and I can control the pieces while splitting. I will definitely buy another when this one quits. The reviews at Home Depot are virtually unanimous.

Here is a link that might be useful: Home Depot customer reviews


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1. Harbor Freight Has A Nice Looking Critter! At the address below BUT will it do a decent job.

2. I have an electric Splitter driven by a 1HP 110v motor and hydraulic pump that has split every thing I have put on it. It was given to me and I have no idea what the tonnage is. I try not to split over 24" dia oak unless I take layers from the outside.

3. How would I figure the tonnage if the cyl is 4" dia, 24" long, and a 2" piston? Pump's #1300356 led me to it being a Haldex, gear type, 3,000 psi discharge, 11.000 GPM low flow. I'm seeing approx 2,000 psi of line pressure splitting 12-16" dia oak. My splitter is simular to the H16 Ramsplitter in this thread (close to the top).

Harbor Freight's Splitter is similar to the Pow 'R' Kraft splitter in this thread (closer to the bottom):

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-ton-log-splitter-97113.html

Thanks In Advance if you have info on the tonnage. loger


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Hey guys,

I stumbled across this thread and wow that's a lot of info!

I've been looking around and thinking about picking up an electric splitter, but I wanted to get some opinions first.

This is the one that has currently caught my eye PowRkraft 65575.

I plan on just using it in my backyard since I'm gonna clear out a bunch of the trees and I want to keep the firewood.

Do you guys have any experience with this website, or PowRkraft?


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I have not used a low end electric log splitter. I have heard and seen some returned due to lack of expected performance. IMO Expected Performance Is The Key! Knowing it�s low end and works best on grade A Select Wood (little of in this area). I doubt it could handle green or seasoned Live Oak and Pecan (our dominants from trimmings/removals). Except, with a 4-6" starter cut with a chainsaw with the low force, it could be challenged. This means low end home use vs commercial use.

The youtube below shows it doing a job on a mountain of wood. I would like to see the mechanics of the unit in use close. A 1 HP Electric 9 -12 ton donor has over impresses me on what it will split. BUT! The stress that I see applied (from the 2" rod X 4" cyl) to split green and solid seasoned Live Oak and Pecan makes me uneasy as to what will give first at times. It very seldom stalls w/o a crack as seasoned wood will have and never with cracks. I will stall it vs letting it reach the 2,500 psi bypass mode. Usually it is splitting at about the 1,000 psi range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=zqZb9Hxh9uY


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Electric log splitters have come along way in the last 5 years. You can get anything from the compact 4 ton units up to a full size 20 ton. Full size units are just as powerful and do the same job as the gas units, just powered differently. There are a ton (no pun intended) of electric log splitters here. :-)

One thing to note is all compact electrics are imported mostly from China and they are a lot slower then a full size log splitter BUT with that being said they are of course cheaper (like everything else made in China).


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I did not look through all the post but did see one interested in the 4-way splitting. Northern Tools had adapters that would sit on your wedge to convert it. As a challenge I made my own “to only to split 6-8” long, 6-8” dia logs” for quick BBQing/Grilling to save some cycles. I would probably purchase there wedges vs all the torching and grinding If I make another (both at the address below).

Here is a link that might be useful: 4-Way Splitter


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