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Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Posted by truongvu (My Page) on
Wed, Jun 4, 08 at 13:28

I have same problem, keep blowing fuses 30A for Craftsman tractor model : 917.256531 , after cut grass I stop for trimming, then come back restart engine soon I turn switch the fuses 30A blow up, I check all wire did not see anything, then replace new fuses and it blow up again, I check starter is OK solenoid to starter is OK , I make a by pass to start engine ( hot wire jump cable to starter ) engine start for about 10 second then stop, I try many time but it not start, can somne one please help to solve this problem and help me how can start engine for now so I can cut grass. Thank you very much


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

If you turn the key to the run position and a 30amp fuse is blowing you have a serious short to ground. Somewhere in your wiring you are going directly to ground. I would begin checking everything carefully right from the battery on back till you find the problem. If you try to bypass things just to finish mowing you may end up burning up your tractor.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Sears doesn't have the owners manual/schematic online.
IF you have the owners manual, can you possibly scan the schematic and email/post it?


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Check anywhere a wire runs beside, under, or on top of any sharp metal piece, for a bare spot, then if you find one, tape it up. Also, check the place where the battery "minus" or black cable goes to ground, to see if the connection is rusty or loose. Check where the wires come out from under the flywheel cover, might be a bare wire there. Also, where the headlight wires plug together near the hood hinges. And, make sure the battery connections are tight!


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Don't forget the starter relay if all else is ok. I had one go bad (probably internal short) and replacing it solved
the problem. As I recall they are not very expensive.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Thank you very much everyone for quick responding,I scan schematic and electrical hardware but I don't know how to post attached files in here, any Idea ? Thanks


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

To post a picture here, it has to be located on a server somewhere, like photobucket or similar.
If you send it to me via email, I can look through the various Sears schematics I have and match it up (hopefully). I can then post the link for that owners manual.
bkapaun AT hotmail DOT com


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Truong-
I've got the schematic.
It "looks" like a relatively simpler one.
Still looking to find a match, but try this-

Disconnect the RED wire near the engine where it comes from the alternator. It may be in a connector with the ORANGE wire?
Also disconnect the BLUE wire at the Carb solenoid.

IF it STILL blows the fuse, either the RED AND/OR BLUE wire is shorted to ground.
OR the ignition switch is bad and shorting internally.

IF the RED wire blows the fuse ONLY when it is connected, your charge DIODE is most likely shorted.


One OTHER possibility is the ammeter is shorted to ground?
You can disconnect those 2 leads and jump them together to test that theory. I'm aware of that happening at least once, where an ammeter got moisture in it and shorted to the metal case.

Do you have a Volt-Ohm meter?


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses1

IGNORE last post

I read your first post again and have a different understanding.

IF the fuse is blowing when going to the ON position of the switch, but before cranking, then it would have to be the switch.
Reason-
1.-RED wire is always connected between battery and diode. Fuse would blow no matter what position ign. switch was in, if that wire or diode was shorted.
2. Engine runs. It wouldn't do that if Blue wire is grounded, since carb wouldn't pass fuel.

Are you sure the fuse isn't blown before you try to start?
It makes a big difference for trouble shooting.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses2

Link to schematic-
Different tractor # but-
Schematic is the same, but totally ignore hour meter.
Page 29/56

http://www.managemyhome.com/mmh/lis_pdf/OWNM/L0710614.pdf


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses3

Ignore schematic!
DUH!

His battery/fused wire goes to B and then directly to the charge diode. NO switching.
His L only goes to the fuel solenoid.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses4

I absolutely cannot find an equivalent schematic.

Truong-
Lets start with my post- Thu, Jun 5, 08 at 14:59

Is the fuse blowing when you turn the key ON, or is it already blown when the key is OFF?


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Bill,
When I insert key in the ignition switch and just turn 1 click ( see operation sheet ) to Light switch position then the fuse blew up. Remember light switch position to turn on the light only after engine start. I do have Volt- Ohm meter. Thanks all of you for post here to help.

Truong Vu


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Light switch ON position has the same "RUN" connections, but also complete circuit A+Y.

Let's check the switch-
Remove switch-
With the OHM meter, put one lead on the B terminal.
In the OFF position, there should be NO continuity to ANY other terminal.
IN the ON and ON w/lights positions, there should be continuity to L ONLY.
In the START position, there should be continuity to L AND S ONLY.
Make sure there is NO continuity to terminals that shouldn't have it.
Use the "truth table" on the bottom of the schematic for reference.

I'll be near the computer, so let me know what happens (I have to go eat).
IF it's not the switch, we'll go to step 2.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Bill,

I will try it tomorrow after work 4:00 PM , tonight I have some work has to be done. Thanks

Truong Vu


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Hi Bill,
Just got home from work, I removed switch and test like you show me with my OMH meter,
One lead in B terminal
with key insert OFF positon, no continuity on all terminals
turn key to light position L is continuity other don't
with start position L and S is continuity other don't
remove lead from B terminal, and put lead on A and Y terminal continuity, other don't.
That all, can you tell me what to do next ? this test mean the switch is GOOD ? Thanks for help, I will check my computer later tonight at 9:00 PM EST, after work (work at home ).

Truong Vu


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Correct me if I'm wrong, but-
You can "jump start" the tractor and it works OK, AND the Carb (afterfire) solenoid IS connected?

Does the ammeter have a metal case./body?
With the key OFF, give the ammeter a good "thunk" with your palm.
Does it blow the fuse?
IF So, disconnect the leads and jumper them together.
IF that solves the problem, the ammeter is shorting when the needle moves.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

"Jump star " only work for 10 second then it cut off engine, I retry 4 times and it not start at all,solenoid still connected, I'll take alook tomorrow after work, Tractor park in the shed and no light in the shed, easy work on day light. I'll try like you said tomorrow. Thanks and have a good night.

Truong Vu


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Before you hook the plug back up to the switch, run these continuity tests-

Unplug FUSE
Unplug RED wire at the Charge Diode by the alternator. (It MIGHT be in a connector with the ORANGE wire. IF So, disconnect both)
Unplug BLUE wire to Carb solenoid.

Connect ONE test lead to tractor ground.
Check (individually)
L terminal
B terminal
Neither should show continuity.

BTW, did you check B and L for continuity to Y?(ALL switch positions) Shouldn't be ANY.

Do you know how to check Diodes?


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Truong Vu, it is almost certainly the switch, if none of the wires are obviously pinced. Afew years back there was a rash of a half doezen or so of these cases in our county.

If it always blows on the restart, its probably the ignition switch.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Hi Bill,

I did not check B and L for contnuity to Y, will do it after work ( I'm at work right now )and will following your instruction to unplug fuse unplug red wire and so on, I don't know how to check diodes, please help ? Thanks


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses1

Hi TechDave,

Thanks for help, Bill Kapaun help me check the switch, I think switch is OK.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

"Let's check the switch-
Remove switch-
With the OHM meter, put one lead on the B terminal.
In the OFF position, there should be NO continuity to ANY other terminal.
IN the ON and ON w/lights positions, there should be continuity to L ONLY.
In the START position, there should be continuity to L AND S ONLY.
Make sure there is NO continuity to terminals that shouldn't have it
".

ALSO check that there is no continuity between the switch terminals and the BODY of the switch in the HL or ON position. If there is that would be the short you're looking for.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

To check the diode, you'll use the Ohm Meter.
You'll have to use all the ranges in the Ohms position, since diodes "behave differently" amongst various types and different meters.
Check continuity in one direction. Then reverse the leads and check the other direction. You should find a range where the diode shows continuity in one direction, but NOT the other.
A diode is like a check valve. it allows current to flow in one direction only.
IF you get continuity in both directions, it's shorted.
No continuity in both directions it's open.

ON the SWITCH TEST-
With ONE lead on the B terminal-
CHECK for continuity to ALL the other terminals.
Compare to the "Truth Table" at the bottom of the schematic.
IF a combination isn't listed as having continuity in a specific switch position, it means it shouldn't.

In EACH switch position, you'll check 6 other terminals.
B to G,M,L,S,A&Y (G should be grounded to the body. If it isn't, also check B to the body in each position)
That means there are 24 (or 28) different combinations.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Hi all,

First of all I thank you all of you had been posting here to help me fix my Tractor, special Thanks to Bill Kapaun spending time teach me to test all wiring, Finaly I got my tractor up and run, after following Bill instruction, switch is OK and I found a wire connect to Carb solenoid is touch with engine cover, when engine got hot it melt wire isolate and stich in metal, when I check that wire with one lead ground and other touch this wire I get continuity, I tape wire with black electrical tape and put all together just turn the key for start the engine start up , now I can cut my grass tomorrow, I'm glass to be come a member this forum, Thanks to all.

Truong Vu


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Great!


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

Craftsman Kohler V-Twinn 22 HP 50" Deck

I had the same problem...fuses blew as soon as I would turn the key. I done the wire check, battery, everything. I jumped across silinoid to start but the tractor wouldnt move or blades wouldnt turn on. When tractor was running when releasing clutch I would start to move but the mower would start to die until I pushed the clutch back in. I finally found a plug on the left side of the engine. (I think it is called an ammeter.) I unplugged this turned the key and to my suprise the fuse didnt blow. So I jumped on and it started. I put the mower deck on and again to my suprise the blades came on. Now the mower was running rough and maybe backfired a few times but the damn grass is cut. Will buy this part tomorrow lol. hope this helps someone.


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RE: Craftsman tractor keep blow up fuses

On my last reply I found this part it is not an ammeter it is a Rectifier-Regulator. About 50 bucks


 
 

 

 


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