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Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Posted by jmb1 6 (My Page) on
Sun, Sep 7, 08 at 17:16

I don't know what happened to my first message, but I'll try again. I've had a Sears Garden tractor #258870 for about 12 years. Has some small problems over the last 3 years, but fixable. With the electric clutch giving out this time, although the tractor still runs well, it's time to get into something new as I don't want to spend any significant dollars on it in case the end is near. I'm looking at the Simplicity Conquest and the Craftsman garden #28848. Although I really don't want a Craftsman again because I've heard and read so many negative comments and would love to have auto traction control and locking diff, I can't find enough difference to spend another $2,000+ just for those two things. Both tractors have the Koehler Courage engine and I believe a K-66 Tufftorq transaxle. While the Conquest is a heavier, more solid construction, the body on the old Craftsman isn't close to giving out. Can anyone explain why the conquest is worth so much more? Are todays Craftsman not built as well as the one I have?


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

You answered your own question in the last of your post. I'd go for the Conquest, Simplicity builds their own machines(and for other brands). Check out the dealer and try to get a good freindship going with him. I wouldn't get excited about diff lock unless you plan to do a lot of dirt work with it. Ag type rear tires w/weights and/or loaded make night and day difference if you're mowing a hilly area, ag tires don't hurt the yard unless you spin them which is a LOT harder to do.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

I will admit up front, I am a fan of Simplicity. I've owned a Conquest in the past and this year, I bought a 4WD Prestige. They are great tractors and provide an excellent cut. My neighbor had a Simplicity that lasted 25 to 30 years. In a nutshell, that is why you are paying $2000 more for the Simplicity. It will last twice as long as a Craftsman. I don't mean to be knocking Craftsman. They build tractors that fill a niche in the marketplace, but they are not in the same league with Simplcity, Deere, Kubota, and Cub Cadet.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

I bought a Simplicity Conquest three years ago. I went through the same thought process you are going through now. Was the extra money worth it?

The answer is definitely YES!!!!!!!!!

As booboo99 said, the Simplicity will last twice as long as a Craftsman. I also purchased the 42" snowthrower to clear the drive in the winter and it works perfectly. For the snow removal alone the differential lock it worth the money.

You might want to check with a dealer to see if there are any left over 08's in stock. You might get a deal so they can move stock off the floor.

Enjoy the journey.
eal51 in western CT


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Without a doubt, get the Conquest. I'm on my fourth summer and about 230 hrs and it's a workhorse. Great traction and power.
Simplicity quality? I also have a 1990 12.5 LTH that I still use for cutting a 2 1/2 acre field. Still runs like a bear.
Oh, and you'll like the way it cuts your lawn.

Check the video link at the bottom.

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Kevin

Here is a link that might be useful: Snow Plowing.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Craftsman is made cheap to sell cheap. Simplicity is made strong to LAST LONG. thee difference in the target buyers is the reason behind the difference in price and quality.

although they may both have the same engine model line and tranny model line, there probably are other differences. AYP specs for the engines/trannies are a lot looser than Simplicity and they may also strip out certain options. in addition, the simplicity frame is going to be welded versus the craftsman is going to be bolted together.

several years ago i compared the Deere L130 to the higher LT line and could not see the reason for the 1500 price difference. same engine, same tranny, same size deck. now that i know better, it was the "little" things tha tmade the difference such as bigger/better axles, better spindles, frame size/thickness, frame welding versus bolting, design of the steering, etc. i have just about rebuilt that L130 from one to the other, whereas had i gone a little higher quality i most likely would have had a lot less issues. and a machine that would last more than 5 years(this is it's 5th season and i just replaced it with a X500).

if you can afford the 2000.00 now, get the simplicity. if you cannot, keep in mind tha tyou will likely spend at least that much to keep the Craftsman going as long as the Simplicity should last. you are comparing a 5-10 year design life to a 15-20 year design life machine.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

I have an older Simplicity (2000 yr model) Landlord DLX with the B& S 18 hp Vangard engine that I bought used in 2005. The only real issues I've had were the idler drive spring that just broke one day and took out the drive belt and one of the mower deck belts. Other than that, I've had zero problems with my Simplicity. I now have a Johnny Bucket Jr., and a brand new set of Ag lugs ready to be mounted (Thanks Mowie for the help!). The cut is superb with the Gator blades on it, I have plenty of power, and a ride like I never expected. I can truly say I love my Simplicity. I'd heard about Snappers, John Deeres, the Old Cub Cadets, Massey Ferguson, etc. but Simplicity was the one name that stood out among the rest. There is a good reason for it too....Quality!


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Thanks for all the follow up guys. I read all your comments, 3 & 4 times, and then went ahead and ordered the Craftsman anyway. I couldn't overlook the 9 good years I remembered with it and couldn't get past the $2K extra for the Simplicity. Well I ordered the tractor on a Thursday and it couldn't be delivered until the following Monday as Sears was out of stock, On Monday I got a call from them that there was a delay and I couldn't get it until Wednesday. On Wednesday I got a call that it wouldn't be delivered until Friday. As I had taken the afternoon off from work that day to accept the delivery, I had some time to reflect on some of the tractor's past issues like its problem with leaves in the fall.

Every year, because of its design, leaves would get caught in the frame and would come into contact with the muffler and catch fire. I started blowing the leaves separately each year to avoid that, but eventually the tractor caught fire at some point anyway. Usually I could just clear it out with a stick, but last year, the fire was so big, I had to run to the house to get a fire extinguisher before the fuel lines ruptured. Strangely enough, although scarred, the damn thing kept running.

Then there was the time that a delivery truck pulled into the driveway while I was mowing and surprised me. I shut the engine off too quickly and was rewarded with the loudest backfire I'd ever heard. About 20 minutes later I tried to restart it, but it just turned over without catching. After a couple of hours I tried again and it fired up. From that point on, it would start only when cool, but as soon as it heated up, the engine would die and not restart until it cooled off sufficiently. So I called out the trusty Sears repairman who, after much headscratching, told me I needed a new carburator for only $350. I'm fairly handy and the facts and diagnosis just didn't match up, so I put him off while I thought about it. After much research and a talk with a great guy from a Massachusetts Koehler distributor, I finally determined that it was the ignition module that had gone bad and the backfire was probably unrelated and coincidental. I changed out the module and the tractor was back to normal. Had I allowed the Sears service guy to replace the carburator, I would have been out $350 and still scratching my head along with him.

There are other stories, but life is short. By the time Sears called me the next day and rescheduled again for the following Monday, despite not being able to understand a single word the woman on the other end of the phone was saying, I had utterly changed my mind and cancelled the Craftsman. I called up a Simplicity dealer I had spoken to earlier and made a good deal with him and the Conquest 23/50 was delivered two days later, fresh out of the crate, prepped, primed, and ready to go. The delivery guy was also a repairmen and went through the whole tractor with me and even gave me some advise on the leaf blower I was having trouble with, which proved to correct the problem. I mowed the lawn that day with the new Conquest and it sliced through the 5 weeks of growth like a hot knife through butter. It didn't even hesitate and didn't leave one ragged spot on the lawn. It was great.

I still don't know if it's worth an additional $2K. I guess only time will tell. But it's shiny and new and works like a charm. I have a great dealer to help me when I need it and I'm a very happy guy. As for the Craftsman, I'm not putting any money into it except to buy a used snow/dozer blade if I can find a cheap one. And since it won't seem to die, I'll plow snow with it until it does.

Thanks for all your help. It's been an experience.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

jmb1 -

Congrats on your purchase of the Conquest. You won't regret your decision. The first difference you already spoke about - reliable dealer service and knowledge.

Many happy hours in the seat!

Enjoy the journey.
eal51 in western CT


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

jmb1: I'm sure you'll come to appreciate your Simplicity a great deal over the years. Once your blades wear out, seriously consider getting some Gator blades for your machine. I switched my Simplicity over, and what was already a great cut became fantastic. My days of leaf raking are over with, and these are white oak leaves too. Those Gator blades make quick work of those leaves. Congrats on a fine purchase. "Come on in, the water's just fine".


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

jmb1, for crying out loud, stop fretting over the $2K ! As you said, "life is short". :^) As to keeping the Craftsman for snow duty....this is my opinion: Put your efforts into finding a blade/plow to go with your new Simplicity. Use it as an "all seasons" machine. As just about everyone here agrees, the Simplicity is much more capable of absorbing the rigors of plow duty (plus the locking diff). Spend some time cleaning your Craftsman up really well, look for any loose or missing fasteners, clips, or other small details. And sell that baby while it still has some marketable value. If you spend your time (and money) finding a blade/plow for the Craftsman....and then "plow with it til it dies", you might end up having to pay someone to "haul it off" (or leave it at the curb for rustyj LOL ). Sell the Craftsman and apply the proceeds toward your Simplicity package. As I said, my opinion.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Another thought to add to what Mownie has said: I have a Johnny Bucket Jr. for my Simplicity, and I love it! You can get a similar setup for your new Conquest with either the Johnny Bucket Jr, or the Johnny Plow (for snow) or get both and use the same frame. It is hard to beat that deal. So, you're really in the driver's seat now. Start driving, and get some seat time!


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

I totally agree with mownie. I have had my Conquest 4 years and it been a great machine. Good luck.


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

that is great news! looks like someone REALLY wanted you to get the Simplicity!


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Boy JMB, ya had me going there for a bit. Like a roller coaster ride. I was just cutting my lawn tonight and when I got done I was cleaning my Conquest off with my blower and thinking...it kicks azz. Down the road you'll be glad you made that choice.
Mownie is right. Don't waste the money for a plow on the Craftsman. Did you click the link in my first post to see how the Conquest plows. Very well. Depending on your driveway and other factors, maybe a good used walk behind blower would fit the bill.
It sounds like you hooked up with a good dealer too. Hopefully he will never charge you $350 for a carb. WOW

Oh yeah....we need pictures.

Kevin


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RE: Simplicity Conquest vs Craftsman Garden Tractor #28848

Can anybody tell me what size tires are on the Craftsman model 28848. I don't believe the specs listed on Sears' website.


 
 

 

 


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