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Posted by dmon oh (My Page) on Tue, Nov 3, 09 at 18:06
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I have to ease the blade engagement in or she dies. Also as I cut it tends to throttle down then back up. I notice that linkage between the governor and carb is loose. There seems to be no tension on the spring from the governor arm. My guess is that there is too much slop in the linkage. Any help would be appreciated. |
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RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| First thing I would do is check the "static" governor setting. This is done with the engine stopped. Loosen the clamp holding the governor arm to the governor shaft that comes out the side of the engine. Move this lever until the carb throttle is in wide open position, turn the governor shaft as far counter clockwise as it will go. Re-tighten the governor arm clamp to the governor shaft. The governor shaft will not move a great lot in either direction. Next I would look for the adjustment screw sticking straight out at you, when you face the intake manifold side of the engine, at the base of the carb, turn this screw 1/8 turn counter clockwise and see if this helps. You are sure the engine is running on BOTH cylinders? Walt Conner |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| Both cylinders? I assume it is, the engine runs very smoothly and seems to have plenty of power, it just wants to die if the load changes. How would i test it? |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| Let me give a few more details..... This is a used engine that I just got running. So far New coil new plugs changed oil. The symptoms are as follows. Starts easily, no smoke from exhaust, idles well. I bring up the speed and it responds. When i attempt to engage the blades it tries to die. If I ease it in the motor will continue to run, it seems to have plenty of power (Goes up a fairly steep incline with blades engaged). The motor periodically will slow down for a few seconds then rev back up under load. Tomorrow I will buy a carb kit, clean the carb, rebuild the fuel pump, and replace the pulse hose. The slack I was referring to turns out to be the high speed adjustment screw, not the governor spring (Newbie here) it is loose and not contacting the bracket. ( possibly not running at high enough rpm?) Any other suggestions? |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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I have a California version of that same motor which is non adjustable on the mixture When I get around to it I will replace the carb. But meantime I have to run the choke on just slightly.... Keeps it running smooth |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| On my vanguard 18hp I most times have to give it a little choke "extra fuel" when I engage the blades. Then it spools up and all is good. |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| Your symptoms definitely sound like fuel starvation. While the main jet adjustment screw on the right side was replaced by a fixed jet years ago, I do not recall seeing one that did not have the mixture screw at the base of the carb, straight out. This is the low speed adjustment but enriching it as I suggested above often helps lean problem because it has some affect through out the range. ALSO, sudden opening of the governor (throttle) may cause lean mixture temporarily, OR if the governor does not respond quickly enough to pick up the load, engine may stall. This is controlled by the position of the governor spring in the holes of the governor arm. In closer to shaft makes quicker response, farther out, slower response. Note that this will also affect engine top speed and other adjustments will need to be made on opposite end of governor spring to compensate for this. Normal position of spring is in middle holes of governor arm. Cleaning and re-kitting the carb may solve your problems, running Seafoam in the fuel for a few tanks per instructions on the can might do the job as well. Walt Conner |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll try them out tomorrow and let you guys know how things went |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| Progress!!!!!........ I overhauled the carb and fuel pump, Changed the filter, changed the pulse line. She started up and now instead of an occasional dying down it was actively searching for RPM. I played around for a while and discovered that if I only brought her up to about 75% throttle she ran like a dream. I readjusted the throttle linkage so that i got maximum RPMs at 3/4 throttle and it ran fine. It then occurred to me that this tractor orginally had a 31d707 briggs, that engine had the choke built into the throttle linkage. It seems that by bringing the throttle lever all the way up I was causing the spring from the governor arm to end up in an unnatural position. (way to much travel from the throttle control). I installed a stop on the throttle control to prevent it from being put in the previous "choke" position and things are going great. Cut the yard tonight and only had an occasional shudder. I can engage the blades, cut up a hill satisfactorally. To put it in a nutshell, excessive throttle travel caused the spring from the governor arm to end up way passed where it should have been, AND the pin on the governor arm actually ended up bypassing the sheet metal cam on the throttle linkage, this allowed the governor to overshoot causing surging. Thanks for all the help, this is my very first lawn tractor, 2006 troy bilt, the mower was free and I have about $110.00 in the replacement engine. |
RE: 18 hp briggs dies when blades engaged
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| BTW the carb overhaul went great.....if you even THINK about giving this thing a little choke after it warms up it does not like it at all |
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