it often depends on how fast they get hit with winter ...

if they hadnt shed all the way.. prior to such.. some can hold on ...

an interesting question for the conifer peeps ...

ken

Well, I do remember that we had a 17F freeze in mid-November. They were in full color (no longer green) but were still more or less fully leaved.

I noticed this with the big ones down at MOBOT about 20 miles from me which retain more foliage than mine. They might be more sheltered and should have some more urban heat island effect but it is a pretty similar environment to my home.

So I was just blaming a lack of good wind.