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Bad combinations

Posted by bushhog936 E. TX -Zone 8B (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 15, 10 at 23:07

Interested in knowing of bad combinations of trees or other types of plants there are. I am familiar with cedar-apple rust in that it needs both a juniper plant and a plant in the rose family. But I don't know of many others. Any info is appreciated.


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  • Posted by brandon7 6b (like 7b now) TN (My Page) on
    Sat, Jan 16, 10 at 0:35

Invasive plants are the "elephant in the room" for this thread. They push native plants from their environment on a large scale.

Many allelopathic plants, like Juglans nigra and even grasses, use biochemical warfare to inhibit other plant's growth or kill them.

Mistletoe and other parasitic plants can rob nutrients from their host and, in some cases, result in the decline or death of their host.

Kudzu, some ivies, some wisterias, and other vines can cover all types of plants, strangling them and blocking light from their leaves.

Many other rusts (like white pine blister rust, cedar-quince rust, cedar-hawthorn rust, etc) are similar to cedar-apple rust in that they require two different species to complete their life cycle.

Besides rusts, there are other heteroecious diseases which require two or more hosts.


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I should have been more specific, I was more interested in combinations of plants that may cause disease to show up because both host plants are available.

But thanks for the reply. I pretty much only plant natives to my general area and have seen what damage some invasive non-natives have done. We have ridiculous amounts of Chinese Tallow growing all over, some areas theres acres and acres of tallow monoculture 'forest'. Chinese privet fills in the gaps that the tallow leaves, and some type of tall thistle blankets over the pastures heavily in spring and early summer, but sporadically the rest of the year as well. Kudzu is not much of a problem in this area for some reason, but plenty of other vines (unidentified by me) are.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a Milwaukee (My Page) on
    Sat, Jan 16, 10 at 8:58

From what I recall (regarding rust diseases) the hosts can be miles apart from eachother. While you might not be planting the combo its still very possible for suseptible varieties to contract the disease.


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I have read that somewhere as well, but I figured I sure didn't want to go and set myself up for failure if I already have or am going to have something on my property.


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Maple & Hosta?

That one was for you, ken!


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Any idea where I may find information on this that is fairly accurate?

Interested in jugalone producing plants besides Black Walnut, and host plants for various rusts..


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  • Posted by brandon7 6b (like 7b now) TN (My Page) on
    Tue, Jan 19, 10 at 22:35

Google is just brimming with info about both of those subjects. A quick check produced lots and lots of results. For accuracy, consider sources and look for agreement between multiple independent sources. And, BTW, as I indicated above, juglone (note, no "a" in correct spelling) is not the only allelopathic substance. Many other plants use similar tactics.


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I posted here to hopefully get the information more easily, as if perhaps one of the readers knew personally about the subject, or knew a great place to read about it, and then would post about it. I have tried 'Googling' but didn't come up with great information, which is why I posted in the first place. Thanks.


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If you Google- "alternate host" rust -(use the quotes) you'll get enough to read for a while. There really are quite a number of combos just in regard to the various forms of rust. Much easier to look than to list.

tj


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Thanks TJ. Another poster from another website directed me to a useful source. Theres quite a lot to read I see about rusts.


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  • Posted by brandon7 6b (like 7b now) TN (My Page) on
    Sat, Jan 30, 10 at 23:40

Hey Bushhog, I stumbled upon a site today and it reminded me of this thread. The link below list trees (like the Black Walnut) known to have, or thought to have, allelopathic effects on other plants.

Here is a link that might be useful: Allelopathic Trees


 
 

 

 


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