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Maturity and Age

Posted by whaas 5a Milwaukee (My Page) on
Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 9:04

Now I know a tree's maturity is dependent on multiple varibles but lets talk in generalities (to simplify) and focus on one plant.

Lets take a common Freemanii maple. This particular one will grow to a mature size of 50' X 40' and live for 80 years under average conditions.

So my question, at what point (year) will the tree begin to slow in growth and at what point (year) will the tree hit its mature size?

For example will the tree hit 30' X 20' by year 20 and then slowly grow to 50' x 40' year 20 - 70? Then slowy decline (no growth) year 70-80?


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RE: Maturity and Age

I want to guess before the experts answer to see if I'm close to right.

Under good circumstances the tree may even reach 30'(10 meters) by 15 years then its growth will level off. One thing I think about looking at the big ash trees is their immense "surface area".

If my 50'(17 meter) tree adds six inches of length, some to height height and width off ALL ITS BRANCHES then its created considerably more wood than my 5 meter metasequoia "rapidly" growing to 6 meter within a year.

So my theory is the big trees in good health are still adding volume rapidly until the moment some bug or rot starts to get the best of them.

The decline will depend on a few things just like in humans. To further back up your idea, the dying big 60 year old silver maples up and down my street have been showing signs of decline for a decade.

And yes I do believe species have typical life spans in different locations. That is what makes a xxx year old tree of species xxxx special.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 14:29

Yes: Small trees can be ancient and big ones young. How big in how long depends on the growth rate of the individual specimen over the life of the specimen up to that point.

I'd expect an 80 year old Freeman (no "ii" when used as a common name) maple to quite often be a lot taller than 80'.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 14:31

a lot taller than 50'.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a Milwaukee (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 14:58

Lets say THIS tree dies at age 80 and its maximum height is 50'.

I'm trying to figure out when THIS tree would hit its maximum height in ITS particualar life span.

If its as simple as saying the 1st quarter of its life the growth rate is 3'...2nd quarter is 2'...3rd quarter is 1'...4th quarter is 0, then in that case it hits its max height at year 60.


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Trees never stop growing, though they do slow down as they get larger and slow to a crawl when they reach their Species typical max dimensions determined by their own genetic physical limitations.

"To live long, a tree must stay small.

Old age is not the problem for plants that it is for animals. Being modular, plants can grow new limbs when old ones die off. More crucial to the longevity of a tree is its size. A tree reaches a stage when it cannot get taller, owing mainly to the difficulties of bringing water up from the roots, and when its side branches cannot grow longer, because they are too expensive to support. So the number of leaves a tree holds becomes more or less fixed, and this means that the tree's ability to produce food--the sugar made in leaves by photosynthesis--also levels off.

Yet each year the tree adds a new layer of wood under the bark, and the amount of wood needed to coat the whole tree increases, just as, in a set of Russian dolls, each new doll on the outside has to be bigger. As the tree grows, the amount of food needed for running it rises. The tree resembles a bank account whose income (sugary food) is fixed but whose outgo (respiration and new wood) keeps mounting. The tree compensates for a time by producing narrower and narrower rings, but there comes a point when a ring cannot get any narrower. Something has to give, usually the water-deprived top most branches. The result is a stag-headed tree, so named for the antlerlike dead branches sticking out of the top. A downward spiral begins: the loss of branches means fewer leaves, and fewer leaves means less new wood.

But many trees can slow the process. Some have buds in the trunk that sprout new branches. These may hold enough leaves to make up for those lost higher up, so the tree can keep the leaf area constant while cutting out the expensive-to-maintain upper trunk and its big branches.

Although these new trunk branches are fairly short-lived (a hundred years in oak, sixty years in hornbeam and beech, and less in birch and willow), an oak with plentiful trunk buds can stave off death for centuries. As the old saying goes: "Oak takes 300 years to grow, 300 years it stays, 300 years it takes to decline." Perhaps we should think of a stag-headed oak as merely entering middle age and, like many humans, just going a little bald on top.

A tree has no fixed life span. To live long, it must stay small. One way to do this is to grow slowly. Bristlecone pines are the supreme example: they live on poor soil in a dry, cold environment with a short growing season. One bristlecone in the American Southwest has been documented at three feet tall, less than three inches in diameter, and 700 years old! The other way to stay small and live long is, paradoxically, to be cut down repeatedly. (This strategy, of course, will work only for trees capable of regrowing when cut which in many trees can do more harm than good and can lead to death in trees if one can't cope with fungus, regrow stresses, etc. mainly older trees can suffer or die) The ash Fraxinus excelsior normally lives for 250 years, yet Suffolk, England, hosts a coppiced ash with a stump almost seventeen feet in diameter. It is at least a thousand years old.

A tree's bank balance is also influenced by savings in the form of food reserves. As a tree gets bigger, however, it has less food left over. At the same time, the larder--the sapwood--gets smaller. Eventually, infections penetrate inner structures, and storage capacity is lost behind a barrier zone, a layer of new cells produced in the inner bark to seal off infected wood. The living part of the tree is walled into a thinner and thinner space under the bark. Part of the tree dies. New branches on the trunk can still save its life, but a large old tree is not good at producing new shoots, perhaps because it is running out of stored buds or because they are trapped behind thick bark. New sprouts on weak trees often die just when people think the tree is going to live. This may be because the barrier zone is missing or because there are too few reserves left for the tree to grow a strip of tissue from the new branch down to the roots. Either way, disease easily overtakes the tree, and the branch withers away. At this point, the tired old tree bows out gracefully."

Peter Thomas is a lecturer in environmental science at Keele University, United Kingdom.


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The speed it very variable throughout a trees life in terms of growth rate in typical real world conditions, but they are much slower when they get old. But in ideal conditions with no disease, insect problems, or no climate extremes. A tree is usually the fastest in the first 15 to 25 years and then they slow down half or more after that, depending of course on the species. Again it very variable.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 22:17

Coast and Sierra redwoods are anything but small, yet have some of the longest life spans. Coast redwoods appear to basically live until they are taken out by a mishap, like a lightening strike.


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I was also thinking about Redwoods and Sequoias. My first thought is they're off the end of the bell curve and atypical. The .01% though, the exceptions to the rule.

Then again oaks are some of the larger trees in my landscape yet are the longer lived ones.

Rot resistance or straight trunks/good branching structure a leading factor in longevity?


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Yep, Giant Sequoia Coast redwoods are one exception. That's why I was saying Species typical max dimensions are determined by their own genetic physical limitations. And I bet if a Giant Sequoias grew in a drier area or climate that kept them smaller and more stunted they could live even longer than 3000 years (probably 5000 to 6000+ years estimate).

Their very special genetics and internal physical design allows them to attain a very large size with ease compared to most other tree species, though they also have limits in their size as well, once a tree gets too tall (close to around 400 ft) water gets harder and harder pull up the trunk, because of gravity, so the top just about stops growing and becomes brittle and stunted until wind breaks the weak top out eventually.

Even with a Giant Sequoias very special genetics and internal physical design that allows them to attain a very large size with ease compared to most other tree species, they also will reach limit where they starve there self as well, That's why you see no 20,000 year old Giant Sequoia. :-) But like bboy said, lightnging likely gets them first before size limitations and starvation becasue they can reach huge heights.


 
 

 

 


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