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Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

Posted by davidrt28 7 (My Page) on
Tue, Feb 26, 13 at 14:16

If you google "Tina Durio", "Sayonaro", "Columbus", etc. you see pictures of flowers, of branches, but very few pictures of mature plants! I can understand not seeing pics from the US east coast given our problems with late freezes, but I have trouble finding pics from the UK or the PNW. Why is this? Do they seldom live very long or something? Even a plant as popular as 'Vulcan' turns up very few pictures of even semi-mature plants on google images. To compare, enter "redwood Soquel" and many pictures of mature plants appear.

This is one of the only semi-useful images I can find:

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/LyraEDISServlet?command=getImageDetail&image_ soid=FIGURE 1&document_soid=EP453&document_version=1

One does a little better with Magnolia campbellii, a tree which truly demands a maritime/subtropical highland climate:
http://apps.kew.org/trees/?page_id=111 Is it just that there are only a handful of Gresham trees to have had time to get that big? Maybe his originals were lost?

This post was edited by davidrt28 on Tue, Feb 26, 13 at 14:26


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

A flower means a plant has reached sexual maturity.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

That is not the connotation of the term used by landscape architects.
Next, please.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 26, 13 at 16:00

This is not a peculiar circumstance. It is actually rather usual for new cultivars to be built up and circulated before even the original seedling or branch sport has reached a large size. Originating nurseries may not even retain such first examples, as solitary specimens growing in the ground. If a cultivar is based on a found specimen in somebody's yard or row of seedlings in a field (as with some of the original Gresham selections) it would take somebody seeking that first instance out, getting access to the tree and being able to get good shots - and then making them publicly accessible.

If the original tree still exists, and is well developed. For instance, last year I went to see the original 'SHN' dove tree. It turned out to be small and bushy. If any clones have been put on seedling rootstocks of normal vigor it seems these combinations may soon grow larger than the mother plant. I am growing one myself, but I don't know if it is a graft or a cutting.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

Thanks Bboy, what you say makes sense but it was a few decades ago now that he was an active hybridizer and I'm surprised we don't have at least a few more pictures of mature ones.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Feb 26, 13 at 16:25

Next find a college library with a file of print copies of the Magnolia Society journal going back to the beginning and look through those.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

That is not the connotation of the term used by landscape architects.

Thank you for being so clear and easily understandable!

Next please.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

Can you not rely on published estimated mature sizes for these trees? Or must you have photos?

Given your example, there are not all that many named forms of Sequoia sempervirens whereas there are literally dozens of magnolia species, umpteen hybrids and countless numbers of named cultivars - photos of mature specimens of all would be overwhelming. As with the case with many flowering plants, even genus monographs/speciality books limit the bulk of their illustrations to flowers.

Since Gresham was a California-based hybridizer, you might want to check out the Los Angeles County Arboretum in Arcadia, which has one of the largest coillections of deciduous magnolias in the country - sure to have some of his. You might want to check out Gossler Farms in Oregon as well - a huge supplier of magnolias.


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RE: Gresham-type magnolias...do they ever mature?

I don't _have_ to have photos. I just think it would be interesting to see the form some of them take when mature.


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