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Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

Posted by greenthumbzdude 6 PA (My Page) on
Fri, Feb 22, 13 at 18:00

Is it possible to select for cold hardiness in tropical/semi tropical trees like coffee? I would imagine that it would take several thousand seedlings for just one tto show up with the genes to survive cold temperatures.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

You should search for good cold hardiness among the trees that survive as high up the mountains as possible


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

I would imagine that it would take several thousand seedlings for just one tto show up with the genes to survive cold temperatures.

And then the time to grow them to maturity and find viable seed or asexual propagation tolerance and then caffeine retention.

To get an idea of what it takes, read about the rhodie breeders of ~a century ago and what they did simply for color variation in a polyploid plant.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

Totally possible! Caveats though...
The biggest gains in cold hardiness are going to originate from existing genetic material. Basically, your initial breeding stock needs to be pre-selected for cold hardiness. Your job will be to reduce cold hardiness variability in the species through selective crosses. The biggest gains will be in the first few generations. Further crosses will have diminishing returns because you will be increasingly dependent on random mutations which happen around evolutionary time frames.

So...biggest gains will be within the existing variability of the species.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

To answer your question: yes, I think of the camellia and gardenia (as well as other plants) breeding that has been going on. Upon introduction into this country, only the semi-tropic regions and warmer could cultivate these two shrubs. Now both have cultivars that are able to resist colder temps (below freezing) pushing the growing zone limitations.

While I am not aware of the amount of r & d that breeders are putting into coffee trees, I suspect if enough work is applied, a more cold resistant plant may be developed.

As as a side: coffee trees make easy houseplants. I have an arabica that I purchased from a box store for a conversation piece and I have had to cut on it 3 times to keep in the room! Given enough sunlight and it will grow at least 8 feet tall and produce coffee beans! So if you a spot in the house, give it a try.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

  • Posted by beng z6b western MD (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 23, 13 at 8:39

Breeding is tricky business & has consequences. All the "new" butterfly bushes -- white, red, deep purple, look different. But they all seem to lack or have less of the wonderful smell, and don't attract as many insects.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

I think that with most trees, the time span of the experiment would by well over a 100 years as you would not know if the tree was truly change or not until it had become mature. Mature is more than a sprig 3 or 4 inches in diameter in your front yard.

To know if you really changed the tree you would need to grow a couple of generations of the tree to maturity, in several areas, That could be as long as a couple of hundred years for most trees.


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I think beng brings up a good point....even If I do find a coffee plant with hardiness it might not have all of the traits I was looking for..like the ability to produce coffee beans.

I am wondering if splicing some genes into a coffee embryo would be easier? Not sure what kind of equipment I would need or how to even find genes that contribute to cold hardiness in some other plant like a sugar maple for example.

I read that with the american chestnuts some embryos were spliced with wheat genes that provide resistance against fungi. Those chestnuts are currently planted near the bronx zoo in New York and are free of blight. So if that can be done I don't see why I can't do something similar with coffee and cold hardiness.


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I am wondering if splicing some genes into a coffee embryo would be easier? Not sure what kind of equipment I would need or how to even find genes that contribute to cold hardiness in some other plant like a sugar maple for example.

If you were a billionaire you could do that at your house. Otherwise not gonna happen.


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Yeah, you are looking at an incredibly long period of time to selectively breed anything into coffee. It takes 4-6 years for the new plant to get big enough to bear more seed. So lets say average of 5 generations.

For pepper plants, it takes a minimum of 8 generations just to stabilize a new strain after you get it set the way you want it before its recognized as being a legit new strain.

For a coffee tree, thats 45 years of work *AFTER* you get the plant you want. It could easily take another 50-100 years' worth of breeding to even reach that point.

Even ignoring the timescale, the only way you could really do it is to plant out huge amounts of the plants, and completely control the temperatures they are exposed to (unless you just feel like moving your entire operation a hundred miles north every 5 years or so), because you have to have it cold enough to kill the less hardy ones, but not cold enough to kill the more hardy.

As far as gene splicing goes, that simply is not something an individual can do at this point. You would need millions of dollars for the equipment alone, not to mention the time and money required to get the doctorate degrees required to run the things properly.

If you want to breed a new strain of something, pick a plant that has a generation measured in months, not years.


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Ive read of someone doing this by slowly (over 20 years) exposing the plant to colder temps, forcing the pups to climatize. This was done with an aloe,which profusely produces pups rather than seeds which would take longer to produce adaptation.

This coupled with the selection of hardy plants in general MIGHT eventually produce something, but the way I mentioned was again used to produce vegitative adaptation, not seedling hardiness which is done by crossing hardy cultivars as well as adaptation to slightly colder areas over a long period of time (decades or a century who knows).


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

Not only is this issue similar to what the rhodie breeders did a century ago - it is different from the rhodie problems in that the light quality and duration in the tropics is different than at higher latitudes.

So not only do you have to breed a polyploid for one trait that lasts and can be selected across a generation of 4-8 years, now you likely have to select for a second trait for light quality and still have these two traits produce a bean that has the same compounds as in a completely different environment.

I'm sure someone at Kew or some such place thought of this 100 years ago and there is still a small program soldiering on somewhere.


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Yeah. Coffee is a *HUGE* cash crop world wide. I think its safe to assume that the big international companies have been looking into ways of growing it in colder climates already. Fact that its still limited to equatorial regions even after a couple centuries of cultivation for Europeans probably does not bode well.


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Yeah I thought about those international companies already....I am sure this idea has crossed their minds.

Getting back to coffee I read that its native to the highlands of Ethiopia so would elevation be a draw back. I mean if I planted the coffee at a lower elevation would it still be able to function?


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At present it probably does not make economic sense, but theoretically at least, gene splicing could be used to create greater hardiness in just about any plant. No need to wait decades for results like the early rhododendron breeders or years more to build up stock via seeds or asexual reproduction. Gene splicing plus tissue culture would mean tens of thousands of new super hardy plants available very quickly in our brave no-longer-quite-so-new world.


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RE: Selective Breeding for Cold Hardiness ?

You could look at something co operative based too...like many tree breeders do. You start your project, and then give away seeds for a small donation. The new growers sign a growers' agreement to do whatever is needed...you need to think about it before drawing one up. They grow your plant a few miles more to the north/at the edge of hardiness. You have access to their seeds from survivors. If many people do this, there will be a LOT of selection going on and much seed swapping. The limits will be the variation that occurs to select on. This is already happening with sweet chestnut/american chestnut and white elms. If you don't need the controll of a growers' agreement, you just do it informally on the honour system....all to share seeds.

Jocelyn


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