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| I am so shocked to what I saw this morning and as I write. The leaves are turning brown and falling. These are 2 maple trees in front of my house(owned by village).
All other maples trees in my neighbors in front of my house, beside my house are all green. All were planted the same year(2006) Sabotage? Insect virus? I feel so sad. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 12:29
| i know you have the ability to post pix .. how about some ken |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 12:58
| Here they are Maple tree on right side Maple tree on left All my neighbor's trees are very healthy. I think it didn't rain for 2+ weeks. It only rained 2 days ago. Yesterday's temp was 97F. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 14:52
| the lawn looks droughted... water it and the tree ... the trees are telephone poled.. i dont see the root flare and down the street they are leaning looks like the sub builder didnt put much into them ... and i suspect improper planting on many levels ... and they were large transplants ... ken |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 15:05
| I just watered it. Will it survived since more leaves fell from the time I posted this? |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 15:54
| who knows.. only time will tell.. did you look for the root flare??? ken |
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| Its either a virus or its planted too deep and girdling itself. Although the latter may effect this variable, water is not the issue as it would be established after 6 years in the ground. I don't see this tree surviving based on the severity of leaf drop this early in the year. I think that is a red maple and that isn't a good tree for a median if you ask me. |
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- Posted by strobiculate none (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 16:07
| does the term physiological leaf scorch mean anything |
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- Posted by wisconsitom 4/5 WI (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 16:33
| Yes it does! I do wonder, however, why the neighboring trees are unaffected. I see no big green turf rings around their trees to indicate watering. But what strob is talking about is excessive heat removing moisture from the foliage faster than it can be resupplied. The general lack of sufficient rainfall exacerbates this condition. While the trees do look to have been planted too deep-an extremely common occurrence-I don't think this is directly causing the problem. That's more a long-term concern, even beyond the six year mark. +oM |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 17:35
| It's possible the neighbor's trees are doing better because they haven't been watered in the past. So they learned early to forage far for themselves. |
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| Any Lawn Service in the area as of late? Have seen them way over do it before and severely injure trees in the lawn. Prepare the wrong chemical, and/or in the wrong concentration, and WHAMO. These errors can easily happen for many reasons. They stop by my place all the time trying to sale the service, but I send them on their way. Any other symptoms. thick leaves. Chloris, vein clearing, anything at all? Might look just symptoms of disease to help you notice any that might be present. Just a possibility. |
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| Do you guys really think lack of water? IL is not that droughty right now. A 6 year old maple isn't going to show those extremely severe signs due to the lack of water this time of year. |
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- Posted by mackel_in_dfw (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 18:32
| A covered flare "weakens the immune system" of a tree and "ordinarily harmless opportunists" can "overwhelm the moat" and "storm the castle door" at "any future date" when tree is "experiencing stress". Mackel |
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| could possibly be herbicide damage but the leaf / petiole discoloration doesn't look quite right, could be buried too deep but again the discoloration doesn't look right for that either, I would look into verticilium, its a soil born disease which would explain why its isolated to your trees and the discoloration and the wilt are typical of that disease. |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 23:09
| whaas, rainful has been very bad in our area but I am still wondering only our trees were affected. My neighboring trees are also red maple. Herbicide? I don't use any herbicde. Btw, 95% of the leaves fell. :( My neighbors told me to report it to the village and they will replace it. |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Mon, May 28, 12 at 23:23
| Root flare? Yes, it has good root flare. I remember fixing it when it was planted. I also removed the burlap and metal few weeks after it was planted. |
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| The trees down the street are not leaning. If you notice the houses appear to be leaning as well? It's a photographic effect. Do you have natural gas lines anywhere nearby? When you see spotty tree death, with no apparent reason it's a cause you may need to rule out. Leaks can happen and the death of vegetation nearby is sometimes the first sign. |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 8:37
| calliope, I should have used a normal lens. I used an ultrawide angle lens. Regarding gas lines, if I recall correctly, it's on the other side. Do you think one factor that affected it is because I wasn't watering my lawn? We had very few rains too. |
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| If you have gas service to your house, then you have a feeder line to get it to your side of the street and into your house and leaks are possible on lines of every size and can be as small as a pinhole. Yes, I am familiar with wide angle lenses, I was just responding to Ken's comment about trees leaning, they're not. |
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| I wouldn' rule out what calliope mentioned. That is much more probable than 95% leaf defoliation in late May for a 6 year old maple. There is absolutely no way lack of water is the only/primary variable at play here. If it was late July and one of the worst droughts then I'd consider it. But its not even close to drought in your area right now. Its just abnormally dry. http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/DM_midwest.htm |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 11:21
| This may or may not have anything to do with what is happening here. But south of here, in suburban NYC, there erupt periodic water wars between the water companies and the suburbanites. The suburbanites read things on the internet that tell them they should water their plants three times a week, every week. So they do this. Then a minor drought hits, the water company is alarmed by the water usage, and institutes a watering ban. The plants don't have the root development necessary to survive not being spoon-fed every day, and strange things happen. Things like five year old junipers die from droughts that barely cause free-range lawns to turn brown. The reason I'm bringing this up here is that I thought V1rtu0s1ty was fairly new to the house, and that a combination of a wet previous season, and the previous owner's behavior may be an issue. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 11:32
| that cracks me up.. i didnt even notice the houses leaning.. looks like something out of harry potter.. lol .. in the pic at the link .. it almost looks like a rounded mound .. is the grass actually elevated near the trunk ?? was the whole ball put in the soil ??? .. or planted slightly elevated ....???? what is the soil ... clay??? and any idea what that manhole is all about???? perhaps it is getting heated.. from below??? .. in winter???? freeze/thaw of subterranean roots??? ken |
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| Dude, all that perennial bed work in the backyard and never put mulch around this tree? Everyone else has mulch!lol! |
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- Posted by krycek1984 6a/Cleveland (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 18:51
| My first assumption looking at those leaves would be some sort of disease (whether viral, bacterial, or fungal). It doesn't look like a simple drying out of leaves due to lack of water, the patterns aren't right. BTW, it's nice to see a development planting maples/large trees in the tree lawn instead of crabapples and plums. |
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- Posted by wisconsitom 4/5 WI (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 21:48
| ronr brings up a worthwhile suggestion-verticillium wilt. Forgot 'bout dat. It would help explain the isolated nature of this incident. +oM |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 18:32
| Do you guys wants to see a new capture of the tree? 95% of the leaves are gone. On the other maple tree, about 70% are gone. When I get a chance later, I'll take a picture using my normal lens. :) |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 18:36
| oh another info that might be interesting. Last early March, our temps reached 80+F for 2 weeks. That was very unusual for northern Illinois. Leaves came out but some died since temperature went back again to high 30s. |
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| Since I get one vote, which is subjective but adds to the overall total, I would vote with ronr and wisconsitom on the verticillium wilt. TAKE SAMPLES to your extension service. If it is the wilt, do the "one cut prune." hortster |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 12 at 23:10
| do trees survive from vw? |
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| Not typically especially when the wilt is throughout the entire canopy of the tree. I have battled VW succesfully a few times but only when individual branches where infected and could be sterilized pruned off, and applications of systemic fungicide / bacteriacide where used. I tend to think your trees are goners. good luck |
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| water may help . also try mycorrhiza |
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- Posted by v1rtu0s1ty 5a (My Page) on Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 14:46
| Good morning folks. Just an update. It is alive! I see new leaves coming out. Btw, all previous leaves are gone. Nothing was left. :) Glad it is alive! |
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