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American Chestnut Restoration Programs
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Posted by hairmetal4ever Z7 MD (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 08 at 11:53
| I've seen that there are two major groups attempting to restore the American Chestnut.
One is the American Chestnut Foundation, that is almost at the "finish line" of breeding a 15/16 American 1/16 Chinese hybrid that is basically all-American but with a few Chinese genes for blight resistance, but will grow tall, fast, and strong like the C. dentata did.
The other is the American Chestnut Cooperators Foundation and is trying the same thing with pure American stock.
My goal isn't just trees to plant, but trees that can repopulate the woods of the eastern US with American Chestnut trees.
I hear there's also a program at some college in upstate New York but I dont have much info on it.
Does anyone know what's going on with these, and which one is most likely or most able to attempt planting these trees in a "wild" setting? |
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RE: American Chestnut Restoration Programs
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| See the link below for more details on the NY project. Folks from the ACF made a presentation at last spring's KNGA meeting, detailing progress they've made with some of their advanced back-crosses. One point they made was that unless something changes, the results of their research and breeding programs will never be planted on public lands, 'cause the US Forest Service will only allow 100% native American chestnuts to be planted - and even the advanced back-crosses which are >94% American , don't qualify. I love the ACCF's approach, and wish that their 'all-American' breeding program would prevail, but in all honesty, I suspect the ACF's breeding program is more likely to result in reliably blight-resistant seedlings. I'm intrigued with the NY program - but the anti-GMO types won't go for them. |
Here is a link that might be useful: American Chestnut reintroduction
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| Re: the 100% issue for ACF: The US Forest service can't stop them from reproducing on their own now...and honestly, I can't see why some good lobbying can't change that policy in this case. Why not have the ACCF and ACF work together? If the ACF wants to backcross to American trees, and the ACCF has some American trees that show at least some blight resistance, why not use those trees as the backcross material? Makes sense to me. |
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| I'm not fully informed on GMO's, but tell me...if this NYS program takes root (no pun intended), would the trees assumably have 100% blight resistant genes, with no recessive blight-prone genes, to pass on to offspring, and therefore reproduce at least relatively true to seed for the blight resistance factor? At the same time, for other genetic characteristics, there should be assurance that there is genetic diversity in all other aspects of the trees being produced. |
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| To answer hairmetal's question... In a nutshell (pun intended) the A.C.F. already IS using american chestnut trees that show some blight resistance, in their race to the finish line to develop a genuine 15/16 American / Chinese hybrid. I believe they WILL be successful...but not within a decade or so. But there are a LOT of politics, and frankly, COMPETITION, going on in this arena right now ! Any many of the key people of ACF and ACCF would probably try to quickly change the subject if my assertions were to be brought up to them ! Competition not only between these organizations, but also between the individual STATE offices that are often affiliated to the SAME national organization...essentially in competition for various types of grant $$ (to continue people's employment, of course) , and to be the "first one" out at some point to deliver the final breakthough to the MEDIA. So... in some ways it's also a organizational and/or geographical "pride" thing, too. That aspect is not all bad, in my opinion...so long as it inspires RESULTS ! |
RE: American Chestnut Restoration Programs
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It may be purely my own perception - I'm a lapsed ACCF member, and have friends who are active leaders in ACF - but ACCF seems to be a very loosely-associated group operating principally on volunteer labor and 'dues', while ACF seems to have a more well-developed structure and more funding. They're not necessarily working at cross purposes, but I'm not sure how much cooperation, if any, takes place between the two groups. It may be too great a philosophical difference - kind of like the gulf between purist 'organic' gardeners, and those who don't eschew the use of 'chemical' fertilizers/pesticides, etc. In a similar vein, the butternight blight/canker disease which has been devastating native butternuts has already revealed the benefit of infusion of Oriental germplasm. Genetic testing in the last few years has revealed that some of the named variety 'butternuts', which have been commercially propagated for decades, are in actuality, hybrids of butternut with the Japanese walnut, J.ailantifolia or its budsport, the heartnut. So...it may be, that in order for us to reintroduce these former denizens of the forest and have them reproduce reliably in the presence of these introduced pathogens, some non-native germplasm may be necessary, though the technological breakthrough of inserting resistance genes from other species may give a tremendous boost to speeding up the process. The next question, though, is, can species like the American chestnut and butternut reclaim their former niche, which has since been occupied by other species since their trip to the brink of extinction? |
RE: American Chestnut Restoration Programs
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The next question, though, is, can species like the American chestnut and butternut reclaim their former niche, which has since been occupied by other species since their trip to the brink of extinction?
I think the American Chestnut can, especially since oaks seem to be declining in number both due to oak decline, Sudden Oak Death, Oak Wilt, and others, and the displacement by Red Maples in many areas. Castanea dentata grows fast enough that if done right, I do think it can reclaim at least some of its former niche... Not sure about the butternut. |
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| "...oaks seem to be declining in number..." Is that based on what you are seeing in your area hairmetal4ever or is it from some sort of study that's been done? I ask, because I haven't heard of Oak being in decline, other than Northern California and Southern Oregon from SOD and South Texas from Oak Wilt. |
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| Just in general, kman. Read up on articles about oaks being displaced by Red Maple in many Eastern forests. |
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| OK, I was thinking what now is attacking/killing Oaks?!? Yes, out East species like Red Maple(Acer rubrum), Beech(Fagus grandifolia), Sugar Maple(A. saccharum), Basswood(Tilia americana), and historically American Chestnut(Castanea dentata), etc. are the climax species which eventually will shade out Oaks(or shade out any Oak seedlings), because they are all more shade tolerant than Oaks, but out West here in Kansas Oaks are one of the climax species, except where Sugar Maple has naturalized(although many claim they're native) which is a relatively small area. All of this is assuming no fires will sweep through, killing these more shade tolerant species and thus allowing the Oaks to regenerate and dominate the forest for a while longer. No native Chestnuts here but the Asian species planted(Never seen an American Chestnut or hybrid with American planted here) are still flowering right now. |
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| Regarding the reintroduction of Chestnut in the east, seems like the squirrels would take care of business. I wonder how earthworms introduced from Europe have effected the trees? Eventually, I'm sure that the species will find equilibrium, but I wonder if their effects on soil contributed to the decline in the health of the forests back in the late 70's early 80's when the gypsy moth went through. With respect to genetics and natural selection, seems like the chinese chestnut genes would be the ones that become expressed. They were the blight resistant ones. |
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Idaho, I'm by no means an expert, but based on discussions I've had with a friend who is a 'mover & shaker' in the upper echelon of the ACF, and has a number of the advanced backcrosses growing on his farm, the 'upright, timber-type' growth habit of American chestnut seems to be a dominant trait, even in F1(first-cross) seedlings, so with every subsequent backcross to American, this trait should be fixed even more strongly, while 'challenges' with the blight fungus should weed out the trees that didn't inherit the blight-resistance genes from the Chinese side of the equation. Good point about the earthworms. Most people assume that earthworms are a good thing - but mounting evidence suggests that they're NOT doing our eastern forests any favors. |
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| Whatever gets that marvelous tree back in our woods is good by me. The near-extinction of the American chestnut due to the blight is one of the true environmental catastrophes in the U.S. And one I fear will be repeated with the Dutch Elm disease, sudden oak death, emerald ash borer, and now the horrendous laurel wilt disease. Just what we need, woods with nothing but ailanthus and garlic mustard in them.... |
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| I'm glad somebody knows about the American Chestnut. I think we are getting closer to its reintroduction. They have some 15/16 American/Chinese crosses, that from the ACF, and there is an effort to breed a pure American Chestnut with blight resistance, from the ACCF that seems to be yielding results. I think they will start planting some of those 15/16 trees either this year or next year. I'm going to contribute to both efforts, but my preference is for the purely American tree. |
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