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| Hi All,
I just read a great book on native plants that got me interested in Paw Paw's. Has anyone had good experiences growing them? Also, I am in southcoast Massachusetts and am wondering if this species would even do well up in my area. I believe I'm up near the northern limit for it, but I could be wrong. Thanks |
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| I've got three mature ones that bear (well, not this year due to the late April 26 degree freeze!). I love them. I think they are a wonderful ornamental as well as edible tree/shrub. All of mine are multi-stemmed grown as a shrub form. The flowers are very unique, the foliage stays nice all season, and fall color is a decent yellow. I can't imagine that you would have any winter problems with them in coastal Mass. Maybe in the coldest parts of the Berkshires. |
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- Posted by Dzitmoidonc 6 (My Page) on Wed, Jul 25, 12 at 14:35
| Bare root Pawpaws transplant poorly, so avoid the urge to buy small cheap bareroot plants. The best thing to do is to eat a Pawpaw and plant the seeds that day. Germination is very poor if the seed is allowed to dry for a day. If you can't find a Pawpaw, I know Ohio and PA have festivals where everything Pawpaw is done. Another route is to visit a farmers market and see if any are on sale. The season is short, 2 weeks in Sept. for me. They keep well refrigerated, but turn black as the inside of a black cow. This doesn't affect the flavor. Potted trees transplant fine, so you can start them in a pot and then put them out. They should do fine in your zone. Moist, well draining soil suits them best. Places with standing water stunts them and you'll wait forever for fruit. (Been there.) Eat the Pawpaw, avoiding the thin sac that covers the seed. (Bitter). Plant the seeds and keep them moist, not soaking. Planting them where you want the tree is best. The first year, you will get a couple of leaves. Subsequent years you get a small tree with large leaves that look like the tree is shingled with them. Flowers after about 5 years. Best to have 2 trees. Also best to have a dead animal around when they bloom. Last year was a run over possum, this year was a groundhog and a chipmunk. (Coyotes took the groundhog.) I've also had road kill ducks, skunks and one year used chicken necks. The point is, carrion flies do the pollinating, not wasps or bees. Trees are very soft wood, snow will break them if they have the leaves on. Usually not a problem. They grow prolifically from underground roots making a grove in 10 years. Young trees need some shade, older trees are able to stand full sun. Trees start to bear when they get about 8ft. There are some good selections out there, you may want to get grafted trees, but remember the rootstock will form the grove. Flowers are different, and although they have both pistils and stamens, they are not fertile at the same time usually. Sort of like, the guys are ready for a few days then expire, then the females mature and wait for pollen. With 2 trees, you get a ton of fruit. One tree yields 3 Pawpaws. (Poetic license here.) |
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| To add to what I said above, and to agree with the other person who commented, I would definitely go with potted, grated and named varieties if you want them for fruit, because the quality of the fruit will be superior. If you only want them as landscape/naturescape plants, seedling trees would be OK, but again still potted, as bare-root is really "iffy". Regarding pollination, as I have commented before on the forums, they are fly-pollinated, and hanging something foul-smelling in the trees a few days ahead of buds opening really increases fruit set. Some people use roadkill or carrion. I've used rotten eggs, the bait from an Ortho fly trap, and rotten chicken skin all with success. |
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| I have many pawpaw trees and over a decade of experience with them. I have seed-grown trees and grafted cultivars. I have pawpaw trees that arrived as container-grown (see next paragraph) specimens, some that arrived as bare-root specimens, and many pawpaw trees that were planted in their permanent location as seeds. My least favorite way of getting a pawpaw tree is getting one that was pot-grown. I haven't lost many pot-grown pawpaws, but I have lost a few (maybe 1/3 of the ones I got that way). If you do get one that is container-grown, be sure to look for ones grown in open bottom containers rather than pots. This allows some air-pruning of the taproot, and results in less transplant shock and better root-system adaptation later on. The air-pruned root system is also less likely to have girdling and j-roots. My favorite way of growing pawpaw seedlings is to plant the seed in its permanent location to start with. I do provide hardware cloth cages with a 50% shadecloth covering for the first two to three years. The cages provides protection from predation and the shadecloth provides protection from full sunlight which can be a real challenge for very young pawpaw trees. This method results in optimally adapted root systems and zero transplant shock. All of my grafted pawpaws have arrived bare-root. I have never lost a single one! Maybe that says something about my source, but it also shows that healthy bare-root trees should not be a challenge (at least if they arrive dormant, like they should). My larger trees (two of the three sites where I grow and work with pawpaws) have never had a problem being pollinated, and I've never bothered with dead animals. The trees get loaded with as many pawpaws as they'll hold without such extraordinary measures. I anticipate my third location to have similar results when the trees get production size. |
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| I agree overall with your comments about bare-root, for someone who is experienced with nursery stock. I just think for the casual gardener potted would be better in this circumstance. Regarding the pollination issue, I wonder if your better success rate in TN without carrion, or to flip the question, my poor success rate without carrion, is because there are pollinator species in TN with "experience" with paw paw, whereas, the tree being exceedingly rare where I am, most pollinator species wouldn't be "tuned into" it and require a little boost to pique their interest? |
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| That could very well be the case. I've done quite a bit of pawpaw research, but very little regarding pollinators. I have heard numerous reports of people using dead animals or dead-animal scents to encourage pollination, but never had to myself. I have also read reports that seem to support your proposal, but the details are fuzzy right now. |
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| bfrederick, I can't imagine why Pawpaw would not do well for you, you know that their native range extends northward to include New York, s. Michigan and s. Ontario? |
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- Posted by alexander3 6 (My Page) on Wed, Jul 25, 12 at 22:30
| A tip of my hat to Brandon for never losing a bare root pawpaw. The fruit forum is full of stories of people losing them. Even if they don't die, they sometimes take quite a few years to get going. I'm 2 for 4 so far with bare root pawpaws, but one that is still alive has grown maybe 6 inches in three seasons. Another I got at the same time is growing really well, and set 12 fruit this year (thinned to 6). One Green World sells potted grafted pawpaws grown in the open bottom pots Brandon is referring to. Forrest Keeling sells potted grafted pawpaws as well. They use an open bottom pot as well. They may or may not sell to you, depending on what state you are in. Fruit from named selections is way better than that from wild trees. If you can get seed from named selections, you've got a great chance of growing a tree that makes good fruit, and a good pawpaw is fantastic to eat. Alex |
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- Posted by bfrederick MA (My Page) on Thu, Jul 26, 12 at 10:58
| Thank you for the great information and advice all. I thought that perhaps they wouldn't do well in my area because most maps like the USDA plant database list them as absent in New England. |
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| What time of year would you plant one in Massachusetts? |
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| My two trees have been fruiting for several years, though I haven't gotten to sample any (the tail end of a hurricane knocked down the fruit before ripening one year, and certain furred pests ate them the other years). I'm going for protective netting this season. They certainly seem to be tough and adaptable trees, pest-free except for the fruit thieves. |
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| "What time of year would you plant one in Massachusetts?" The ideal time would be spring, around the time of bud break. The idea is not to leave the fleshy compromised roots lying dormant in wet winter soil AND not to wait so late that the trees won't become at least somewhat established before having to face the stressful hot summer months. |
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- Posted by greenthumbzdude (My Page) on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 21:41
| you can anctually make an organic pesticide out of the leaves....you just grind it up and mix it with water...then you spray it on plants that need protecting. |
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| I have several pawpaw trees growing and fruiting in a colder area of Massachusetts. You need to water the plants well to establish and maintain the large root system. |
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