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| So I lost one really big tree ( a pine that must've been 50-60' tall) and the crown from a tulip poplar(I would believe 70-90' tall). I'd like to replace the pine and I need to be ready to replace to tulip poplar.
My criteria are that preferably it grows fast since they are filling holes, good form but, most importantly, that it is a strong tree not likely to blow over or be a high risk for dropping limbs on my house. They will be planted 10 feet from my house and ~15-20 feet from my house. Idea's? I was thinking a sycamore since I'm told they are strong trees, and I do like the idea of an american chestnut (the new ones that are resistance) and princeton elms, but I cannot find a good website to discuss how sturdy they are and trees that are unlikely to drop limbs. Thanks for the help! |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 7, 12 at 12:48
| i can think of absolutely no tree that is FAST GROWING ... yet strong ... be careful with such .. i hate sycamore.. for the mess they make.. those horrible seed balls.. always losing leaves.. and sticks.. though not as often.. big branches .... yuck and personally.. resistant.. does not mean it is problem free.. and i would hate to invest 5 to 10 years.. only to find out.. it wasnt resistant enough ... i prefer oak.. though i dont know how they cope in MD.. and once they get going.. they can do 3 to 5 feet per year ... if you have no intent on ever gardening under your trees.. maples are an option.. some better than others ... on planting.. limit yourself to 3 to 8 feet.. they establish faster and will outgrow trees 2 or 3 times that size.. in 5 years.. its all about transplant shock and what it does to HUGE transplants ... the only alternative.. is professional installation and aftercare.. if that is in the budget ... good luck ken ps: can you peeps believe.. i suggested maple.. lol ... |
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- Posted by toronado3800 Z6 St. Louis (My Page) on Sat, Jul 7, 12 at 13:44
| MLMIB, Pin oak is a favorite around here. It has smaller branches when young and is fairly strong. Iron problems can be an issue in some parts of st louis county. A limbed up bald cypress or dawn redwood can be fairly polite as well as storm resistant. Their pyramidal shape lends themselves to not dropping huge branches on your home. 200 years from now either may have larger high canopy branches but so will the pin oak in 2080. What happened? Did one of the tropical storms or hurricanes tear up your property? |
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- Posted by Dzitmoidonc 6 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 7, 12 at 17:45
| Anything planted 10 feet from a home should be called a shrub. Imagine if that derecho had dropped the trees on the house. You have a chance to do it right and not plant a tree that towers over the house. I suspect that a lot of people in Montgomery County will look at how close to the house their trees are. Toronado, folks in MD and WV and maybe other places are still waiting for electricity after a derecho moved through from IL to NJ. Temps of almost 100F for a week and no electricity. Widespread damage in MD, especially along a line that goes from Baltimore to D.C. |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Sat, Jul 7, 12 at 18:42
| They will be planted 10 feet from my house and ~15-20 feet from my house. ==>> i didnt even see this part.. IMHO.. no tree closer than 25 to 50 feet from the house ... this is a thing.. wherein.. you should have bought the mature tree with the house.. because it will be very hard.. to shade the house.. inside of 20 to 30 years.. if you properly space the tree ... [and a nightmare with new construction] sooo .. invest in the sun porch.. or retractable awning.. so you can have fun in man made shade.. so that in 20 years.. when the awning is old.. the tree will be able to take over ... i have an oak.. that came with the house.. 12 years ago.. i am going to guess.. it is 25 feet from the house.. i am going to guess .... was 15 feet tall .. it is now ... 12 years later.. about 35 to 45 feet tall.. and finally shading the deck .... and back of the house.. it is planted slightly to the west of such.. so it starts shading the area.. when the high heat of the day hit.. say.. 1 to 5 pm ... and if anything fall off that tree.. ever???.. the heavy part.. will hit ground.. and i doubt the far out thin stuff will do any damage ... in my lifetime .. and who cares about the next guy ... ken ken |
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| We got the storms here. I've been through two hurricanes in Asia, and lived on tornado alley....but this storm was pretty bizarre. Went six days without power, five without generator, and seven with no phone service, including no cellular. All bets are off on a tree who won't come down or drop branches in a derecho. One of our century old giants didn't drop one limb, but is now leaning and needs to be removed, because the storm ripped it right out of the ground and the only thing holding it up is the tree next to it. We just had two full days of tree work done by a four man crew about two weeks ago. LOL. We're on their schedule to come back but they are booked solid. I can only imagine what the damage would have looked like had we not kept our trees maintained. One came down over a greenhouse, one lost a major limb so we had to chainsaw our way into the chicken coop. My beautiful magnolia tripetala is snapped at ground level. A pine at the back of the property, black locust limbs, and a score of dying limbs still attached by a shred of bark dangling. I wouldn't even call it a hard hat area. A hard hat wouldn't save you if one fell. We have an enormous conifer, perhaps 80 feet tall near to the house, but then again it was around when the Civil war was going on........and that was my major worry. I had visions of it crashing down, and watched it fascinated and horror stricken all at the same time, as the branches looked like they were going through a blender. But she held. It twisted one black locust so severely, the tree split down the middle, like someone took a giant axe to it for kindlin wood. Think twice about ten feet from the house. |
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| Assuming occupants of home are in safe area during storm, the Tree just needs to be more wind firm than your roof. Once the roof is peeled off the tree don't matter much. Bald cypress may be most wind firm tree in the south based on my observations (post hurricanes and tornadoes ) but they come down too. For shade close in big bushes win. |
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- Posted by mad_gallica Z5 Eastern NY (My Page) on Sat, Jul 7, 12 at 23:21
| The physics work differently when a tree is that close to the house. Years ago, we had a bad snowstorm on April 1 that did an enormous amount of damage. That week, the well-dressed house was definitely wearing a white pine. However, since most of the trees were very close to the houses, they didn't fall on the houses so much as start leaning against them. So there wasn't a lot of damage to repair once the trees were removed. The power was out, the cell towers were out, but somehow the land lines still worked. Given the wires squiggling over the roads, I still don't know how that was. |
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| Oh PS. i buy lumber from a guy who pulls trees from storm damage.... pin oak drops like a twig around here... damn things scare me. Of course bama ef4s eat everything. |
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| Amazingly..........the area looked like a disaster zone but most roofs were intact. The only thing I could surmise was that they did not present the resistance a tree did with limbs outstretched like sails on a ship to catch it full-force. I couldn't help but stand outside as long as I could, and then peer out windows (stupid) but it wasn't a straight-line wind shear. Nor was it like a vortex......it was like branches were going in all directions at once. I didn't realise how much damage it caused until I took off to check my daughter's house three miles away. Power lines looked like tangled spaghetti, power poles snapped in half, and one had to drive around trees down in the roads if they could. I've never seen so many trees fall victim and their browing corpses are still littering the landscape and shall for quite a while. |
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| Im all thumbs. Forgot my link :-) Read this: http://text.lsuagcenter.com/en/family_home/home/design_construction/De sign/Landscape+Design/Prepare+Your+Site.htm |
Here is a link that might be useful: trees and hurricanes/storms
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| Interesting read. However, the black locusts were particularly damaged on our property, young and old alike. Willows were unscathed. Hickories and elms as well. We did get a lot of damage to the white pine windbreak, as expected. |
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| To tell you the truth. No tree is designed to withstand the 70-90 mph winds you guys got w/o some damage. Those trees are particularly weaker wooded than oaks and hickories, but they all could potentially sustain damage in a derecho event like the one a week or two ago. Our area had a hurricane come through in the 96 and wind gusts hit around 74 mph. Trees of all kinds were downed. Pines, maples, oaks, hickories, ash etc were snapped or uprooted. |
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- Posted by toronado3800 Z6 St. Louis (My Page) on Sun, Jul 8, 12 at 3:05
| Impressive pictures. I agree with Ken. Try to get the trees a few more feet away from your home if possible. Back in the 1950's the previous owners of my house planted some white ash about that far away. No doubt the air conditioner, if the house had one, was expensive to run and needed all the help it could get. Also I'd bet either the husband or wife remembered growing up w/o central air so it seemed wise and typical. Not for this case since I wouldn't want walnut bombs hitting my home, but the line of black walnuts in my back yard fare pretty well in storms. |
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