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Whats wrong with this Sycamore?

andyaceae
12 years ago

Last year a sycamore of mine developed a dead area in the trunk. It had started to heal over but now appears to be expanding, and a similar area has appeared on the other side of the trunk. Vigor also seems to have declined, slightly. Is this caused by canker stain, frost cracks, or possibly something else?

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Comments (11)

  • andyaceae
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Here are the images sans links.

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  • Dan _Staley (5b Sunset 2B AHS 7)
    12 years ago

    Mechanical injury and trying to heal from here. Might be frost cracks too from the info provided.

    Dan

  • brandon7 TN_zone7
    12 years ago

    Possibly frost cracks. Tell us about this tree...When was it planted compared to when the raised bed was built and compared to when any grading (like for the driveway) was done? How far away is the driveway and the raised bed (kind of hard to tell for sure from the picture)? How longs has the tree been in the ground?

    That first picture looks especially bad. Did you say the damage was on the opposite sides of the tree? If so, that would explain loss of vigor. A big percentage of the trunk would be girdled.

  • andyaceae
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    The tree was planted about 4 years ago, and was obtained from a local stream bed. It was planted after all driveway work, and that is actually just a stone wall, not a raised bed, so root damage shouldn't be an issue in this case. The soil is a fairly poor shale clay mix in this area, and it has been fertilized with a 5-5-5 mix each year. Important to note it is exposed to a fair share of winter winds. I'm guessing frost cracking in this species may be an issue in exposed locations? I'm going to give a shot to grow if it isn't some type of fungus and hopefully it will make it. Thanks for the input.

  • gardener365
    12 years ago

    Deer/animal/mechanical injury. Photo 2 the wound has calloused nicely. Photo 1 I'm not so happy about. The blackened area is rot. I think there is far too much damage (appears all the wounds are at the same height/distance). Add in all the rest of the cracks and bark loss occurring above and it's just overboard. Then, add to the mess that it's a fast growing tree which is prone to breakage on its own - I'd say send it to the chipper asap.

    Dax

  • ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
    12 years ago

    mechanical injury.. lol.. who backed up on it????

    put something substantial in front of it ... like a backhoe .. so no one will backup the car and hit it again ..

    and then just give it time ...

    go get another... and plant it 20 or 30 feet away ... a failsafe ...

    as to the wounds.. i am of the camp of.. let it do its own thing ... it will either recover or die .. so be it ..

    but repeated hitting it with the car.. will not help ..

    [lets blame it on drunken friends ... since you surely didnt do it.. perhaps some post football afternoon party .. superbowl??.. lol]

    ken

    ps: or some drunken knitting party ??? lol

  • Dan _Staley (5b Sunset 2B AHS 7)
    12 years ago

    I think there are faaaaaar fewer drunken quilters, ken, than drunken Bears fans.

    Dan

  • brandon7 TN_zone7
    12 years ago

    I'm not at all convinced that it's a mechanical injury. Sure, I guess it could be, but I wouldn't bet much on that being the cause.

    Andyaceae, has your tree been hit by an insane lawn-mower on a big lawnmower?

    I also wonder if the discoloration is really rot. I've squinted as much as possible, but still can't tell for sure from the picture.

  • Dan _Staley (5b Sunset 2B AHS 7)
    12 years ago

    Dude, you're harshing our buzz.

    Dan

  • andyaceae
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    It hasn't been hit by any lawn mowers. Although it certainly looks like a buck rub or some other mechanical injury, i'm almost sure that it's not. The black area is actually paint from the first year (more recently i've heard painting doesn't help seal anything, so haven't painted again). It started to heal over the area then abruptly died back again (no cars or bears fans involved), which formed the 2 layers of dead tissue. I cleaned the dead bark off the area and got some more pictures to help confirm diagnosis.

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  • ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
    12 years ago

    maybe there would be more quilters under the age of 200.. if they tried drinking while they did it ...

    of course.. the end product might not be any good.. but they would have a hell of a time having fun ...

    andy ... get rid of it.. and solve all your problems... get another .... and dont plant it next to the driveway ... or at least as close ..

    its a mystery you will never solve.. and frankly.. the damage could be a decade old ...

    sycamore are susceptible to anthracnose.. and that might be complicating recovery ...

    on the other hand.. if you just want to watch and learn.. go for it ... but never invest much in it ... emotionally i mean ...

    seriously dude.. you liberated it from mother earth.. go find another ...

    ken

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