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Posted by
sam_md z7 MD (
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Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 15:17
I took this pic this morning in NE Maryland. The heavily textured leaves are pubescent on the top and moreso on the bottom. No seed. The companions are sycamore, pawpaw and spicebush. I cannot ID this tree, can you?
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RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| Looks like Acer nigrum.... |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| It is distinctly maple-like, but it would be nice to see twigs/branches, as well as buds. First blush would make me guess a stray Norway Maple, but I'd assume you recognize that one at twenty paces. The less common species with big broad leaves like that which would inhabit eastern US include sugar, black, and Acer pennsylvanicum - again, all I imagine you know implicitly. Where in NE MD? Over the fence from an arboretum, or to hell and gone from human habitation? |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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This population of maples is apparently native. It is in an undisturbed forest along the Susquehanna River in Maryland. I can't tell you what it is, but I know it's not Norway Maple nor Moosewood.
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RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| Looks like Black Maple to me as well, though I have almost no person experience with those. Black maple are extremely rare locally, either native or planted. Sugar Maple on the other hand is both native and planted. Arktrees |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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- Posted by beng z6b western MD (My Page) on
Tue, Aug 7, 12 at 12:37
| Good find. Bark doesn't look like Norway (or lack of milky sap would confirm it) -- more like a "Sugar"-type maple. The Silvics manual doesn't show Black maple at that location, tho that's not necessarily accurate (Chalk maple occurs rarely in the SW VA mnts & Silvics doesn't show it either). So like the others I'd guess Black maple. Or a Sugar maple w/unusual leaves... |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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- Posted by beng z6b western MD (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 9, 12 at 10:36
| Wonder if the european Sycamore maple is a possibilty? Have never seen a large one, so can't say from the bark. I do know they have relatively textured & thicker leaves than Sugar-type maples. |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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Hi Ben, here is Acer pseudoplatanus I don't think that's what I have.
When all else fails I crack open Gray's Manual. About Black Maple it says: full-grown stipules enclosing axillary buds; petioles of vigorous terminal leaves abruptly enlarged at the base, often bearing foliar outgrowths I hope to check this out the next time I go to the site.
Like others above I think the pic in my OP is Black Maple and will be my submission for our county's champion when the ID is confirmed. |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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Fall color from the native population of trees along the Susquehanna River. I'm calling them Black Maple.
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RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| Interesting. Moreso in that the black maple is not native here in Maryland from any source I've seen. Sugars are, of course, but not Black. I have seen one in my area, but I always assumed it was planted. Definitely does look like Black Maple, however. |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| Hi joeschmoe, while I basically agree with you, I've learned to never say never. This link says BM was historically found in neighboring Delaware but now extirpated. |
Here is a link that might be useful: BM Distribution
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| I live in Ohio, but am currently in Frederick, Maryland visiting family and have been for a few days. There is a black maple (I'm pretty sure) down the road from their house, at least the few leaves still hanging on have that classic three-lobed shape, and I have seen the tree in the summer, it has that "droopy" leaved appearance. They're native in Ohio but I don't see many around. Sometimes range maps are incomplete. I know that I have seen Shumard Oaks in Columbus, and the range maps show its range supposedly ending somewhere about 100 miles west of Columbus. |
RE: Lower Susquehanna Drainage ID
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| That image of acer pseudoplatanus is propably not showing the straight species. At least the leafs look somewhat different on trees growing semi wild around here. Interesting info about the black maple by the way, I'm not familiar with that species |
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