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Sun, Aug 19, 12 at 15:17
| This tree is 60 years old, about 5.5 feet tall. I can't figure out exactly what it is but have been told it is a Chinese pine but its not descriptive enough. It looks like a white Japanese pine to me but its hard to tell because I can't find images of untrained trees like this. So, if someone could help that would be great. |
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| Blue Atlas cedar. |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Thu, Aug 23, 12 at 18:38
| @ bboy; good guess but it wouldn't survive and has totally different needle structure and tiny pine cones. It also might be slightly sun bleached. |
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| @ValerieKarnes; considering the surrounding environment, there is no way a Japanese (white?) pine would survive either. It really doesn't have anything characteristics at all that would make me think it was a pine (Pinus sp.) You are obviously privy to details that we have been unable to discern from your single photo, that frankly, does make it look like Blue Atlas Cedar from the photo resolution you provided. The location (at least the country) and a close up will help immensely. |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 0:30
| @smivies I think I might not have been descriptive enough to tell you it was not growing there wild. It is only barely more than 5 feet tall and it has been there in that spot for about 20 years before that it was in a pot somewhere else in the world. The guy who owns the property says it is a chinese pine (which isn't just called a chinese pine). Take into consideration it is completely untrained and that is not a very good picture. Supposedly is rare and it is likely why I can't find pictures of it. However the thing it most resembled to me was a Japanese white pine (used as Bonsai) which again is impossible to find a picture of online untrained. Its basically a 60 year old tree which should have been trained like a Bonsai but was just growing wild for 40 years. Anyway, I just need the scientific name so I can calculate best propagation methods for upcoming winter/spring because that is what the owner wants me to do. Because it is so hard to propagate pine (which is very hard but not impossible; speaking from experience), I can't believe its just a chinese pine because they don't look like that to me (pine needles). I have more pictures if you want me to send them to you when you see it close up it is different. |
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| Can you post the close ups here? |
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- Posted by gardener365 IL 5/6 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 7:45
| I'm still putting my money on Blue Atlas cedar. You may send the pictures to me. Dax |
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| ValarieKarnes, while I have no idea which state you are posting from, in my area Blue Atlas Cedar is a common, generic item found in most any big box store. Cones are held upright, right? It is grafted onto Deodar Cedar. With a mouse click you can find images like this one. |
Here is a link that might be useful: image
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 17:38
| I am zone 9b and in Southern California no Atlas Pines grow wild. But, besides that the tree was imported some 40 years ago and placed in the ground where you see it in the image only 20 years ago it is at least 60 YO. The needles are tiny the tree is short and it would be dead if it were an Atlas Cedar weather or not it was established besides that an Atlas Cedar grows up to 35 meters in 20 years; the tree in question is no more than 4 meters tall/60 years old. Atlas is way bigger needles and all. |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 17:59
| Pine cone from mystery tree. Grow downward only on the underside of the tree. |
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| Blue Atlas Cedar. Definitely not pine, Chinese or otherwise. |
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- Posted by gardengal48 PNW zone 8 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:12
| Atlas cedars only grow wild in north Africa :-) But that doesn't mean they can't be grown in SoCal - they are found in all areas of California, much of which has a climate like north Africa anyway. And height is relative - grown under tough conditions or in a container long term (a natural dwarfing situation), that species will never achieve the same height it does in the wild. Besides, that tree looks very much like it has been pruned radically over the years......not sure I am aware of any conifer that grows in that form naturally. Sure looks like an Atlas cedar to me. Needles to 1" long, held in clusters or 'tufts', glaucous blue coloring.......it is ony the cone I find disturbing. Doesn't exactly look like a Cedrus cone, which are held erect. Would much prefer to see one still on the tree. And I have to wonder about the reasonableness of inquiring for assistance with ID only to summarily reject all suggestions.......what's the point? |
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 ValarieKarnes, using your logic, this 400+ year old tree cannot be a Japanese White Pine because of its height. Isn't it possible that the Blue Atlas Cedar is compact for some reason that you don't know about? BTW Blue Atlas Cedars don't necessairly produce cones every year. When they do, the pistillate, seed-bearing cones are upright. |
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| Blue Atlas Cedar and a photo of a male C. atlantica cone. Cedrus is much better adapted to your climate. Japanese White Pine would have expired years ago! |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 19:42
| The surrounding do look harsh and the temperature has been (46 C) but it is an extremely dry year for us in my area. It never turned green in the hills this year but usually it is good conditions for almost anything I get my hands on.... |
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- Posted by ValerieKarnes none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 24, 12 at 20:15
| Cal Poly said it is not the Atlas Cedar. Different growth pattern. They are studying the samples I gave them because they were a little confused too; They are running the taxonomy of it now so I will post the update. |
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| Looks like an odd dwarf cultivar of Atlas Cedar that grows only male cones. Weird that they grow pointing down but I've seen some other pretty weird cultivars belonging to Cedrus. |
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