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| Hi fellow tree lovers! I live in Palo Alto, California - USDA zone 8B, Sunset zone 15. Hy husband and I recently bought a townhouse and have been sprucing up the long-neglected gardens. We removed a lot of awful overgrown ivy and badly placed bushes. We've planted mostly drought-tolerant perennials.
However one more plant choice evades me... a tree! I would like to plant a tree at the foot of this garden, to right hand corner pictured below. I would like to screen the view of the upper level of the home across the street, they currently have a clear view to our front door/patio - you can see their balcony and another window in the picture. Preferably an evergreen tree so that we have privacy in winter, too. This is a full sun location all day long, the gate faces SW and that corner of the garden gets sun starting around 9am and is never in the shade except the part shaded by the fence after about 3pm. Any tree higher than the fence would get full sun at least 8 hours/day. Obviously there is a narrow space there so ideally I'd like a single trunk tree that has an upright trunk and then the canopy can branch out over the pathway once the branches are over 7' or so. An upright growing habit would be good. I first chose a Natida fig tree, because I liked the look and the foliage, it seemed to fit my criteria but some forum members warned me that the roots would probably rip up the sidewalk in short order and that it would quickly grow too large. It saddened me to return that tree because I really thought it fit the bill. Perhaps I could also plant a more spreading tree on the left side of the path, if the branches can be pruned to clear the walkway - so that it doesn't spread too much over our neighbor's fence (to the right, with her oleander peeping over). The wall to the left is our carport and the roof is a flat composite type, so a tree could spread over it comfortably. Other units have large mature trees in their little front courtyards including redwoods in a few yards! You can see a large tree in the front of the unit across the street, too. PS this picture was taken at twilight, otherwise the camera is sun-blinded. Does anyone else have recommendations?
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- Posted by gardengal48 PNW zone 8 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 14:00
| I'm not sure what other forum members will suggest, but that space is simply too congested for most trees. At best, you could consider something extremely columnar, like a 'DeGroot's Spire' arborvitae or a 'Tiny Towers' Italian cypress. Another possibility would be a dwarf evergreen magnolia ('Little Gem', 'Teddy Bear'), provided you can find one already of some height and with a clear trunk. Most trees, evergreen or not, that will eventually produce a more spreading canopy (which it seems like you are looking for) will cause all sorts of traffic/headroom issues until they grow up tall enough to walk under/pass by easily. And you just do not have enough room there to plant anything that has already got that kind of clearance. Do you have room to plant on the outside of the gate? |
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| I can't plant outside the gate as it's HOA grounds. Also there is an existing oleander hedge there. |
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| I am considering Camellia sasanqua or Camellia japonica (but it may get too much sun here) or a bay laurel, standard form. Any comments on these? |
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| You will almost certainly end up having issues with anything you plant in such a tight space. I.E. restriction of growth issues. There probably isn't anything that will quickly grow and do what you want it to do, but then just "stop" right there. Either it will grow incredibly slowly and prevent you from reaching your goal for many years, or it will overgrow its space. Contrary to popular belief, trees don't just grow to a certain size and then magically "stop". If you want something with minimal maintenance... put in a taller fence. |
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- Posted by gardengal48 PNW zone 8 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 11, 12 at 18:35
| Bay laurel (Laurus nobilis)? Really?
As stated above......trees just don't stop growing. Sure you could prune to limit size of the top growth but who wants to be tied to all that frequent maintenance? To say nothing of how the roots will react under that sort of hardescape confinement. |
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| You'd need an extremely narrow plant. Perhaps a Sugar Maple like Newton Sentry since they are somewhat shade tolerant. Sorry if I missed some details just wanted to throw out a quick suggestion. |
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| In Palo Alto California? |
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| Yes, really. Bay laurels rarely get as large as the one shown above from Wikipedia - I'm not even convinced that that is Bay laurel and not California laurel. They are very slow growing, that tree above must be at least 50 years old if it really is a bay laurel/sweet bay. Bay laurel tends to be more of a shrub left alone. "FDR96 Sweet Bay Laurel ( Laurus nobilis ) Here are some more typical specimens, they are very easy to prune and shape - I already have 2 little topiary bay laurels in urns.
and as a shrub
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| I decided - and planted! Manzanita Dr Hurd... it's only 18" tall now so it will be a long time before it resembles a tree, but I can't believe I didn't think of manzanita before - or have it suggested. It should reach around 10' at maturity and has an upright growth habit. Beautiful branches and evergreen foliage. |
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- Posted by dave_in_nova VA zone 7a (My Page) on Fri, Sep 28, 12 at 8:43
| Arbutus unedo might have worked. |
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| Instead of a tree (there's no room), put a lattice on top of the wall, and train vines along it. |
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