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Posted by lcr2 9 (My Page) on Fri, Oct 30, 09 at 18:53
| This tree is planted in the middle of our paver patio. It is still a little guy. Took it to the local nursery and was told a Mulberry by one person and a CA Sycamore by another. I have searched for hours trying to find something online & can't find it. We are concerned it will be too close to the house & tear up the patio & the foundation. It is about 15' or so from the house. I'm new here so I will do my best to upload my pics for you to identify. Thanks so much! |
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| Forgot to give the link =) |
Here is a link that might be useful: Unknown Tree
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| Wow - whatever nursery ID'd as CA sycamore needs to get some decent staff in there. Looks vaguely familiar but perhaps not Morus either. I'll look around and see what I have in the library... Dan |
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- Posted by gaalan z8 Atlanta (My Page) on
Sat, Oct 31, 09 at 14:47
| I've seen Morus here that had that highly lobed leaf shape. Found one three years ago growing as a weed between a building and an abandoned trailer. 
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| My first thought, alan, was Morus as well, as I seem to recall seeing lvs like that in CA, but I can't find a foto anywhere and Hortus doesn't describe the lvs being that palmate. Dan |
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| It is most definitely Morus. It could possibly be a hybrid between M. rubra and M. alba but M. alba and hybrids of it almost never have sinuses that deep. It looks identical to the thousands of M. rubra saplings I have seen. Young trees typically have deep sinuses that tend to get shallower as the tree ages. If you can get me a picture of a single leaf with decent resolution I can tell you almost without a doubt if it's M. rubra or M. alba but I am 95% certain you have a Red Mulberry on your hands. M. rubra grows very fast in its early years and slows as it gets older. If its in a spot that can accommodate a tree about 30-40 ft tall with a spread of 15-30 ft and you don't mind all of the purplish berries that will fall I would keep it. If you think it might cause a problem, remove it. Fresh mulberries are always nice for jams, cobblers, pies, etc. By the way, which part of the US are you from? |
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| Ok. I have a link to some more pics that I hope will be helpful. Unfortunately I have 2 posts going. =( I am unsure if I can delete a previous post. Anyway, thanks so much for investigating this for me. Red Mulberry sounds like it will be messy for an uncovered patio. Perhaps a location farther from the house would be best. How far would you suggest is a safe distance from the house if roots are an issue. Not sure if they are. Also, if it helps, the leaves are very fabric like. They do not snap when bent, almost like the material used for a tent. It is rough textured on the top, not shiny, and the underside has very thick veins. Where you can feel the leaf it is also rough in texture. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Unknown Tree
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| Is there a chance this could be the fruitless type of mulberry? When I google the images of this type the leaves are more similar to that than any of the others. I believe the neighbors had this type of tree in their yard before my inlaws moved. They took this tree with them & gave it to us. Could one voluntarily come up in the neighboring yard without seed though? |
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| Now that I can somewhat clearly see the leaf margin, It does appear as if it may be M. alba or M. alba x rubra. It is doubtful that mulberry would spread like that by root sprouts so I would say that your mulberry is not fruitless. I will show your pictures to a Dendrologist tomorrow at our local university and see what he thinks. As of now I would say that you can pretty much be certain that you do have a Mulberry on your hands. The species may be a bit iffy though. M. alba or M. rubra or a hybrid of both will still give you nice mullberries though. |
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| Some months back I did a tree ID on "Name that Plant" forum, and was told that THIS is Morus alba - it doesn't look anything like the pic above. (???) 
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- Posted by cacau z5/6 CO (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 2, 09 at 19:25
| I'd go along with Moraceae more than Morus. Ficus genus or even Broussonetia? |
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| Terrene, Im no expert but id say thats a mulberry of some type you got there. Its probably a red mulberry because they grow wild in your area. |
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| OK, Resin, don't keep us in suspense any longer. What is this? I've seen leaves just like this before, and I think it was somewhere here on Gardenweb a few months ago. I have no idea how I could find the post with a reasonable amount of searching though. Lcr2, have you thought about trying the Name That Plant Forum? |
Here is a link that might be useful: Name That Plant! Forum
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| I agree with ronzone7 - this is a Morus of some variety. Both red and white mulberry as well as their hybrids can have extremely widely varying leaf shapes, depending on age and genetics - anywhere from entire, unlobed leaves to various degrees of lobing, so much so that the leaves are almost fern-like in appearance. FWIW, this plant gets asked about a lot in the Name That Plant forum for this very reason - its appearance is not at all uniform so ID'ing it can be tricky. Both white and red mulberries are considered pretty weedy and the white (and hybrids) are a listed invasive in many areas. I can think of much better choices for a patio :-) |
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Dear terrene,
Morus are extremely variable in their appearance. They are a bit like Sassafras in their variabilty (If you are familiar with Sassafras albidium you know that they can have several different shaped leaves on the same specimen.) I spoke with the dendrologist at our local university and he agrees that it is morus. Morus alba and M. rubra cross so readily that in many parts of the U.S., most new seedlings are not truly M. rubra or M. alba.I noticed that you stated the tree was growing in a paver patio. I did not notice that before. If you let it continue to grow it will eventually wreck your patio. |
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| Ronzone - I think you mean to address the OP (original poster). I posted a pic of the Morus alba because I was confused at how different the leaves look from Lcr2's picture. It is amazing that the leaves are that variable. |
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Thank you to all for your tips in identifying my tree. I really appreciate you taking it to the dendrologist Ronzone7b. I will be digging it up this weekend and replacing it.Not sure with what though.
I realize a lot of people like the crapemyrtles but I am not a huge fan. Need something about 20' - 30' tall by 15' wide, without an invasive root system. Anyone have some suggestions. Something without fruit or nuts.
Again, thanks to all! |
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