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alabamatreehugger 8a/8b south Alabama (
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Sun, Nov 4, 12 at 10:46
| Ive got some scarlet oak acorns from north AL that I would like to plant here at my place in south AL. I know Scarlet oak typically grows on drier upland soils, but does anyone here have experience with how well it grows on bottomland type soils (water oak is most common here)? My soil isn't swampy, but it can get fairly wet when it's rainy during the winter. |
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RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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| I would go with a cherrybark oak instead. Scarlet oaks like good drainage. The cherrybark oak looks similar to the scarlet oak but can handle wet conditions. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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- Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 4, 12 at 12:30
| The biggest planted scarlet oaks here are in low-lying places. Our biggest native trees also tend to be near streams etc. where there is more fertility and moisture. What you can do on your place depends on the specific circumstances there. Pin oak is related to scarlet oak and recommended for damp heavy soils. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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| I think im too far south for Pin oak, I've seen a few plated around here and they seem heat stressed. I don't think Pin oak leaves are very attractive either. I like the deeply cut look of Scarlet Oak leaves. I should have mentioned, Q.falcata also grows around my place and it usually prefers drier soil. It's weird Q falcata and Q nigra grow right along side one another here, despite their different preferences. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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| Are you sure they are Pin Oaks? I've found their leaves to be virtually identical. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pin Oak Leaf Google Search
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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Here is a link that might be useful: Scarlet Oak Leaf Google Search
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| There's a scarlet oak along the floodplain near our house that is quite old, probably at least 200 years old. It is healthy as can be - The soil is black silty loam, piled 6 feet deep over sand and gravel. Drainage is likely key in this fairly moist condition. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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| I'm going to give it a shot. If Q falcata does fine here then maybe Q coccinea will. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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- Posted by beng z6b western MD (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 6, 12 at 9:15
| Try it, alabama. I'd bet it will do fine w/your nearby source. |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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FWIW,
IMHO, if the falcata are happy, then they will probable be as well. Also being on the damn side in winter is not the same as being wet in summer. In winter the roots O2 requirements are much much lower due to be dormant, plus the water in the soil will hold more O2 and CO2, due to the water being colder. Lastly, respiration in the surrounding soil will be greatly reduced by the colder temps as well, so that less CO2 are produced from those sources as well. All that adds up to you just may get away with it. Another suggestion, is to plant on a small mound, so as to keep the initial rootball above the surrounding soil so that it drains better. From there the roots will find the optimal level in the soil for their growth. Last suggestion, if they don't make it, look at Nuttall Oak. Seen some with GREAT color and very similar to Scarlets in form etc, but much more water tolerant. Arktrees |
RE: Scarlet oak in bottomland soil
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I have a baby Scarlet oak in a bottomland location that drains well, it has done well so far, since spring that is.  |
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