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NUMBER 2- Most successful try @ Live oak_poaky

Posted by poaky1 6 Pa (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 23, 13 at 23:45

I took a walk around my yard today to check on my trees. We haven't had any mentionable cold yet, well, tonight starts a (nearly) week of some 20's and teens at night. But I looked at them before it got too cold yet. We had a couple high 20's and 30's a couple times before, but not too bad. I have my original 2 from spring 2012, that look totally untouched by anything yet. And 3 new ones are ok so far, but 2 look bad. One is in a damp area and looks green but the top leaves look like stretched out rubber, twisted, so that one may not work out. The other 2 were yellow leaved on arrival a couple months ago, but the leaves will be gone soon anyway. Today, the tops were browsed, and half the whip is gone, so spring will have to come to let me know about those 2. I had protected them, if not more than the tops would be gone. I will try to wait for a decent amount of time for an update now. I wanted to get a new column/ thread started anyway, maybe Joe or someone wants to mention their live oaks before I mention mine again.


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RE: NUMBER 2- Most successful try @ Live oak_poaky

Poaky,

Here is a new photo of a live oak (Fusiformis) that I posted last year. It's really neat to see the tree already starting to grow horizontal on the top. As you know, the live oaks have branches that grow horizontal more than vertical.

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I was kinda wondering at which height I would start to see horizontal branching on my tallest one, well the "late drop" that is. My Q. Fusiformis has taken on a wide bush type of shape, but is short, maybe 18 " tall. I have looked at many of the images of Live oaks on yahoo images and other places, and on many large ones, the lower branches don't start until you go up high on the trunk. I wonder though when young maybe I can let one start at about 6 ft tall ? That is if mine survive this winter, I need to remind myself of that. Tonight will be 12 F, from our forecast. And 20's today earlier. Nothing last winter didn't put them through, but I am still expecting possible death of them. Is the area where the tree in the picture one where it can stretch out, or will you have to eventually get rid of the horizontal branches? It seems like you have a good amount of area before the road. Mine can stretch far, but my largest one needs to start branching out higher than 6 ft, maybe 8 ft high, it needs to clear a shed roof on one side and a fence on another side.. I am overthinking this probably. My largest one looks a lot like yours before the last flush you have on top. It is the "late drop" though. If it was a pic from last year has the tree gotten much bigger since then? I was reading a couple articles about regular live oak, and the article said that they don't grow in Atlanta. I looked on a map and Atlanta is fairly close to the mountains, but I have heard it called "hot-lanta" before, so I never imagined the Live oak wouldn't grow there, but, I guess winter temperatures could get pretty cold, possibly. But if Virginia, even coastal Virginia can be warm enough for them, surely Atlanta can't be too cold. Maybe it is the air moisture in winter that is the difference. Maybe in the past a couple of decades couldn't grow them in Atlanta, but now they can.


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The article that said it won't grow successfully in Atlanta was under www.gmanet.com "Preserving the live oak- Treasure of the south". The area up in the mountains should be a zone 6b in 3 counties on top and 7a in the top, I'm guessing mountain region. I can't read the county names, small lettering. Atlanta is shown to be on the border of zone 7b and 8a on another Georgia zone map. I'm not sure why I mentioned this anyway, there are probably really many of them in Atlanta, it's their state tree. I can't seem to grow Canadian Hemlock, strangely Pa's state tree, I've tried 3 already, and even a western Hemlock croaked on me 2.


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Yep I have a good 30ft to the road, by the time it gets there ill be long gone.

Read the Georgia article, I believe they are talking full blow Virginiana, but I know a Fusiformis would be fine there.


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I went on youtube and typed in Atlanta Live oak trees and it brought up video of live oaks at Middleton place. I was thinking it was in Atlanta Georgia, then after a while it was made clear it was in South Carolina. I have finally bought a Min/max thermometer. I put the outdoor device about 25 ft from the house, but after the snow melts I'll put it about 20 ft further, right next to the Live oak "late drop" that has grown the best of the original 2 planted in spring 2012. It was simple and cheap, like me sorta. We were supposed to get 4 days of teens for lows this week, but it changed to 20's as a low. The other 2012 spring late drop LO is very easy to keep track of in the dog yard about 25 ft from the livingroom door. It may be too close to the house, actually, but I am not worried about the foundation, it will have to go under our porch before it gets to the house. It is doing so good I will not be moving it. There is a video of moving a couple oaks that were interesting, BIG oaks, one was posted on the tree forum before of the Ghirardi Comptons oak and another one of a live oak. Yes, I already have cabin fever, to be looking at videos on youtube of trees.Well, Happy Thanksgiving all, I need to go finish making stuffing and prepping the bird, so my mom can just put it in the oven tomorrow morning.


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We had a stretch of nights into the 16-18 degree range in SW Missouri, same with southern Okahoma, Northern Texas in low 20's north of Dallas, but all trees look great. Looks like we will have a week of mild weather and nights above freezing, then look out big arctic blast next week.

Happy Thanksgiving all.


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Well we ended up at 7 degrees last night after 5 inches of snow. Not too worries Dallas, TX ended at 16 degrees.

Here is a photo of one of my live oaks (Fusiformis), everything is good.

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Good to see Joe. We had about a week of 60's also. But we had some teens afterward, a low of 12F was the lowest in my yard according to my min/max thermometer. I keep the remote or part that says the temp, on my bedside table. Before the week of springtime weather we had 20's and 19F weather. My live oaks were fine when I did a walk around the yard last week. The 2 in the dog yard are looking great. I will try to post an update on my favorite of my Live oaks soon. The older
Q. Fusiformis was still looking great, I think something browsed the top couple leaves. I thought it was die-back but it looks browsed. Usually critters don't come that close to the house though. We have cats, they are my mom's, about 8-9 of them. All fixed thank goodness, or there would be a plague of them. Maybe a large bunny could survive a single cat attack. I will take some more pix of them. I was going to wait longer to update, but what else is going on to post about anyway. I was supposed to take a pic of a local Osage Orange to add to a thread last week and keep forgetting. My dog yard Live oak Late drops are still green, I can see one every time I let the dogs in or out, but the dog yard Compton's oak, OvercupX Live oak is brownish green. Not too attractive. Last winter it stayed nice and green most of Dec, if I recall right. We likely were warmer up to most of last Dec. Our snow is melted, so I will try to take pics of the upper yard Live oaks. The swampy lower yard makes me not want to take pics of the Live oaks down there, but the last time I checked 2 of them looked bad and one was great looking. The 2 that looked bad are where it drains slow and/or water sits/ gathers. So I am blaming the soil for the mushy looking leaves, and one was top browsed dispite me having it protected 2/3 . Something chomped the top. I should buy tree shelters, or find a way to make a long tree tube. I currently have 6-7 inch wide white pvc water tube. They were among the basement clutter, so I cut it in about 2 ft lengths and protected some baby oaks. I can get some see through tree tubes from Mossy oak natives, where most of my trees are from but they aren't cheap. Maybe some other water pipes or similar tubes will work okay. At least for the lower yard where the deer cross every am/pm. I will get some pics soon. I will add that my other Q. Fusiformis from "Oaks of the wild west" are looking haggard. They died down to the ground last winter and only put out 2-3 inches this past summer.


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Okay, I finally have pictures of 3 of the Late drop Live oaks closest to the house. Those downhill I will wait on to take pics. This is my favorite and fastest growing one  photo DSC00345_zps2e480177.jpg  photo DSC00344_zps54bf9244.jpg  photo DSC00343_zpsbbd9b3ef.jpg The next 2 pics are of the other 2 late drops. The are both in the dog yard. The small unbranched one is a new (this year) transplant. The other is the same age as those in the first 2 pictures.  photo DSC00346_zpsa00dd8f6.jpg  photo DSC00347_zpsa4ef25ae.jpg


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We are having some warm temps now. But on Tues the 24th of Dec we are going to have a large dip in temps. I will try to update after a while. Looking forward to an update when you get time Joe or anyone having any live oak info to share, especially in zone 6.


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Just adding we are at 12 F now, that after 72F on Sunday, 2 days ago.


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Poaky,

Your late drop look great!

No changes from last time, we have not dipped below that last temp. This has been a long cold stretch for us in Dec., probably coldest in 6 years. All trees still have leaves on them, have that olive green color now.

We are in the mid-40's but will be near 60 degrees for the next 3 days.

I have been keeping up with Oklahoma and north Texas temps for the same period and Oklahoma temps generally within 2-5 degrees, north Texas (north of Dallas) 5-9 degrees, so I think all safe for the trees.


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We had a low of 7 F a few days ago. We had a high of around 50F on Wednesday night/ early Thursday. Today, we had high 30's. No big news.


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We are going to have nice 60+ degree day tomorrow then the temps are going to dump into the 30's. High teens low 20's for lows. I will be heading to Texas next couple days so I will be interested to see how live oaks look after their cold spells.


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We had 40's and 50's last couple days, today it remained 22F then 23F, currently 23F. No big news.


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Poaky,

Looks like you may get snow?

Here in Dallas Texas for New Years, collected some late acorns still on a few trees Fusiformis. Established trees here look great, smaller young trees have that olive green color mixed with brown leaves like mine back in the Ozarks. So I think that's a good sign for the young trees we have.


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Yeah Joe, we got snow. It was about 6 inches. That is okay, but the temps we're going to get don't sound very good. I took my 158lb dog with me to run errands, it helped my traction. We had 7F a couple days ago, we are currently 7F and we are due for -10F Monday I think, then -5F Tuesday, and I THINK it will be 1F for a high Tuesday. In between these temps it will be super cold also. The "late drops" will be tested, that's for sure. The Q. Fusiformis could go either way. Are you going to start your seed from Texas when you get home? I hope you had a great New Year's, mine was fine. I can see one of my "late drops" from my porch, so I can easily check up on that one after our -0 's next week. The bigger one, I can check later. It isn't far from the house, but I might as well wait til after the -0F crap is over next week. Enjoy Texas! At least it is warmer than here.


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Yep, it's going to get nasty. -20 in the suburbs of Chicago, glad don't live there.

Here in SW Missouri it looks like a low of Zero Sunday night high 17, Monday night 5 and High around 12 then rapid warm up. So it will test these live oaks.

I know it's getting down to around 10 degrees in Texas north of Dallas on Sunday night. If my trees were in the ground for 10 years not so bad, but not quite 4 years, so I am going to put a nice coat of ice on them with a water mist bottle, should be good for about 4 degrees of insulation. You might try if you dare go outside. :)


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I haven't put water on mine, I didn't even think of that earlier. It is 12:15 am and -7F, -10 was forecasted. The live oaks may be toast, or lose their leaves at best. I may look at the bigger one in the back yard tomorrow, the one in front is close enough to see in the daylight from the porch.


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I only have to add that the 2 uphill or near house "late drop" live oaks are still foliated, the leaves look "brittle" for lack of a better word, but they are still on the tree after this mornings -10. We still have -5 F for tonight/ Wednesday AM yet to endure, then it's 20's. Let me know about your's after....... well, you may have not gone below0F.


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Poaky, we ended up at -6 for about an hour, we were at 1 above and zero for a good amount of time and below zero -2 for at least a couple hours, -4 for an hour and then the -6.

So I'm thinking below zero for about 4 hours or so. then in single digits most of the day yesterday. Then we had below zero again last night for about the same time span and then 40 degrees (a heat wave today)

Out of the woods now

I'm hoping my ice coating helped, will for sure lose the leaves, but Fusiformis in Oklahoma have withstood -20 below in the past, the problem is those are adult toughened trees, mine are babies (4years), if they make in past this, they will grow into nice adult live oaks.

crossing my fingers

We shall see


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It is 2 above F now at 12:43 AM Wednesday. I figured I would check this thread before logging off for the night. I will check the trees today in daylight. You may still retain leaves, unless you've seen signs of defoliation already. I can't help but think that my "late drop' live oaks will do better than my Q. Fusiformis. Well, anyhoo, I will post more later.


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Poaky

A warm 40 today and near 60 by Sat. Leaves still on trees but different color.

How do your trees look or is it too early to tell?

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Well, Joe it is now 48F at 9:30 pm Fri evening, far cry from Mon and Tues -10F and -5F. I am happy to tell you that my 2, 2 yr old Late drop Live oaks look better than I ever expected. The front yard 2 yr old is only minorly rough looking, with all the leaves on still. The taller one has tan on the bottom of about 1/4 of the lower leaves, but the other half of the leaf is still green. And the top 2 ft or more are still green, so kinda rough, but still in leaf for the most part. There are other late drops I haven't checked yet, it's muddy as all get out from the snowmelt puddles. I know winter is nowhere near over, but I am happy so far. I know that after several more days of -10F would have defoliated them at the least though. The Quercus Fusiformis looks like it lost a good bit of foliage. There are probably a couple fall planted Late drop L.O. that are defoliated, because they arrived with yellow leaves to begin with, but they should releaf fine, I think I bought 4 and planted 2 in my yard and 2 in my friends yard who may be zone 5, being near the mountains. I will take pics of my 2 older Late drops soon, if you want to take pics of yours. You did describe yours after the brief -0F's you had. I think we are due for a warm-up too if I remember right. My OvercupX Virginiana oaks (3) are all bare, just threw that info out there. I am really glad I decided to zone push with the Late drops.


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Interesting Poaky,

Looking forwards to the photos


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I took a pic of the 2 L.O. Late drops that are in their 2nd winter. These were taken this afternoon. Jan 2014Late dro L.O. Back yrd photo DSC00349_zps2934d931.jpg You can see some tan leaves, but they really don't look that bad. Dog rd Late dr. Jan 2014 photo DSC00350_zpsccde9e84.jpg


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I know it's hard to see the leaves with the other stuff in the background, but you can see they still have plenty of green leaves. So not too bad for live oaks in Pa after -10F and -5F for 3 days straight. We have teens an d 20's coming up, sorry, I already posted that.


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Poaky,

They look great, mine look like the top photo with the brown/green mix, the other looks brown, however that one started yellowing beforehand right after I transplanted it, I think too much water. We will see what spring brings


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We are due for some teens and single digits as the week goes on. The leaves are dark burgundy on the top growth now. Sorry if I am dragging this thread on too much, this early in the game. It could end up being super long before spring gets here. If you feel like posting soon go for it, but don't feel like you need to unless you want to Joe, we may not have any change to report for a while. Hope your L.O. do great.


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We are having it rough and will for the next week at least, below zero and single digits and teens. The Late drops have leaves still but they are a sickly color.


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Hey Poaky,

I went on a caribbean vacation for a week, I think we got down to mid to upper single digits one night at my house. Hadnt had a good chance to look at the trees.


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Poaky, How are the live oaks holding up in all that cold?


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Oh Joe, you are soo lucky to get a reprieve from this crap! My Live oaks are still pretty well still in leaf, except, the leaves are ugly and tan. I'll try to get some pics in a day or 2. On the bigger one some 8-10 leaves are gone and the buds are bigger than those with their ugly leaves on still. I am not worried that the tree is dead, I've seen my share of dead live oaks and these look like they could break bud if we get a week or 2 of warmth. My Rhody that is about 3-4ft from it has fat buds and an inch of new growth on one branch. We haven't had enough warmth to do this. I put this in another post, but here it is again. The dog yard one needs closer inspection, but appears to have all it's green and tan leaves. The Fusiformis has lost about 2/3 of it's leaves. So the "late drop" seem to be better for me here than Fusiformis, has to be the hybrid vigor thing. You probably have heard that the south and middle east has had snow, even Louisiana. Well, that trip should help you put up with the rest of winter.


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Poaky,

A couple of my Fusiformis are kind of what you described brownish, all leaves still on. One Fusi is still light green, and a couple small ones I grew from acorns I collected in the farthest north part of Texas are all still green and look great. Traditionally here around Feb. 14 we start to warm up a bit, do I have my fingers crossed


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I should have taken pics when we had a day of near 50F, but I was lazy, and we have some slush topped with some new snow and I want to wait for the crappy mix to melt again before I take pics. The one close to the house in front seems like it has more green than the back-yard taller one. I will try to update pics when we get another melt. Eventually, I hope to be able to take pics of all my Live oak "late drops". I have a few more downslope etc. The Q. Fusi is another I will update hopefully soon, after the next melt. I look forward to your updates, but if you want to wait to take more pics, that's ok.


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Just another pic update. That melt hasn't happened, we got more snow actually. I took pics of the same 2 I have been taking, the 2 year old "late drop" live oak. The one with the black fence around it, I took with the zoom from the porch, I had taken my boots off already, but the snow helps to see it somewhat. The bigger one is good and visible with the snow background. I took the pics today.  photo DSC00352_zps291f1969.jpg  photo DSC00351_zps15dac7f6.jpg you can see we got quite a bit of snow. It was already snow covered, then we got more. This winter of course isn't over but I would say I believe these "late drops" are zone 6 hardy. I have 90% belief they will make it and continue doing well into next growing season, and beyond. When you want to (or can) Joe or anyone interested, add pics or whatever, no hurry. I think this winter has been extreme enough to have proven zone 6 hardiness for sure, with several -9F and -5F etc.


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Poaky,

thanks for the pics, I will try and take some Sunday, it will be 60, should be nice enough to get out.

I was recently in Tulsa,OK (2hours away) and some of their live oaks still are green, others brownish or tops defoliated. I think these trees will make it also.

A couple months and we shall know.


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Oh Joe, you are lucky if you got that 60 F today. It is 24 F now and it was 15 F last night. I needed a push to get out of the (gravel/dirt) driveway to go to the store earlier. I have front wheel drive, and a small car. We have been getting more snow most of the day. Well, Oklahoma is pretty southern, I am guessing weather patterns and surrounding mountains are why they get so cold in winter at times. I didn't realize how southern you are if you can get to Oklahoma in 2 hrs, no wonder your Q, Fusiformis haven't died back on you. I really am glad I have the "late drops" doing so great where I am. I will check on my friends "late drops" later on, closer to spring. She is a possible zone 5, or zone 6 with much harsher winds, she is close to the mountains here and gets much worse in winter winds. I planted a Magnolia Gr, wild evergreen mag for her in her yard, and it blew out of the ground over the winter, it was only 8 inches high, so I never staked it. I replaced it with one with only a couple leaves, for less air drag, and it is fine.


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We had 60 F yesterday and today for highs, but we had a low of -4 F a couple nights ago. Nothing else to add good or bad, just plugging along here through this crappy winter.....sigh.


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I'm in Dallas for work, but back in the Ozarks we have been in the 60's all week, but cold front coming.

Not to worry Poaky, spring is coming


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No specifics, but we will be getting that cold front affecting us also. I will be impressed with the "late drop" L.O. 's if they have some branch die-back, but some releafing also, because this is a really aggressive winter, for lack of a better word. I would have never thought we would go below zero as many times as we have this winter, at least 8-10 times. Usually it would be a few times max, in the past 5-8 winters. My palms are likely dead, even with burlap covering them. I have some indoors that only go out in warm temps, though. We have had 50's and 60's this weekend here, but it's been raining, is now snowing. I must admit February has gone by fast, in my opinion anyway. Come on March! Get over with! I will start some plants (veggies) in the basement in mid March, maybe some flower seeds. I hope the "late drops" don't leaf out early and get frost bitten like last spring. Well, I guess that's it for now.


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Poaky,

We didn't have all those below zero days like you, but it has been plenty cold and below average. I'm still concerned with the live oaks, but when driving through oklahoma going north I kept an eye on live oaks and although battered they all seemed fine. The smaller ones like ours were brown and discolored but older ones fine. So I'm hoping ours will releaf and be okay. There is no green on mine at all just a dark purple brown, most dried out and dead. We shall see. If I recall yours looked the same last year, but releafed in spring, am I correct?


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If I remember correctly Joe, mine had turned other colors, but remained somewhat greenish, purple, blue, last winter. I have faith in our baby live oaks. I don't know about you, but I see pink/red buds under the ugly tan leaves that give me hope for spring. I may be misguided, and they will desiccate along with those tan leaves, but part of me believes that they will send out nice new spring leaves, (damn frost better not kill them) I am more afraid of bad weather after leaf-out. But, they dealt with frost damage last spring, not sure if you recall, Joe. But REALLY, if there is some truth to climate change, now that winter has been a really frigid BEATCH to some of us, unlike many past winters. WE, and definitely ME, must realize our yard trees have to deal with our zones winter lows, (Me, Minus 10 F ), and you 10 F - 0 F, Joe. I will update in early March, this brutal crap MUST end soon, spring is approaching DAMMIT!


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Poaky,

I hope you are correct. Lots of trees budding out here, but this last arctic blast will make it 3 degrees tonight, after being 55 yesterday (sat March 1st).

Yes a late spring freeze would be bad. By the end of the week back to 60 degrees.

I hear ya, we need Spring now.

Looked at Oklahoma City temp for tonight, they are suppose to be at 5 degrees so only a couple higher than at my location.

We shall see soon Poaky, lets hope we have a good breed of live oak.


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I will just add that we didn't get as much snow as predicted this past weekend. It was 8F last night. Other than tomorrow nights predicted 2F, we will be getting a mix of teens, 20's and 30's, maybe even a 40 in there somewhere. I will wait at least a few days to update. I want to check the "late drop" in my friends yard eventually, which is a possible zone 5. They are too small to see unless you get close. They are a distance away from their driveway. Hope you don't get any early budding damage. I thought my Rhody was going to get damaged, but false alarm.


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Poaky,

It was 60 today and suppose to be 70 by Monday. By the time March ends I will know if my Fusiformis made it.

Also my Crape Myrtle worry me, not that they won't make it but maybe they will start from scratch and the ground again.

Keep your fingers crossed


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Joe, We had it in the 60's this afternoon. I got to check on the Live oak "late drop" and my one Q. Fusi. The Live oaks which I posted pictures of above, the 2nd wintered ones seem to have some die-back on their top branches. They may need pruned down some. They aren't totally dead, but will lose up to a third of their top. If it wasn't for the last 2 nights below 0 of the last week and a half, there would be no top die-back. One of the newbies planted this past fall lucked out by slouching to the soil surface, while being inside a pvc pipe protector, most leaves are even greenish. I have a couple fall planted beheaded and leafless. One in the dog yard with good flexible limbs, may be all good. All of them have pencil-lead thick branches, no surprise there is some die-back. The Q. Fusi has all brown leaves with the top defoliated. The main gist is some of the "late drops" will put out leaves and live, but I will need to make new leaders on most, after the tops get pruned to healthy wood. The trunks even have buds waiting, so if the branches existing get zapped, the trunk shows ready buds. I expect to have the spring 2012 planted 2 live, but need corrective pruning, and maybe one newbie bounce back. The Q. Fusi is likely to survive, but with top die back. I think that even if I need to prune 1/3 of the top back on them, they are zone 6 hardy after this brutal winter. Most winters haven't had the number of -0F this one has. Unless we get the "la Nina" if I remember right that's the colder weather pattern, and "El Ninio" is the warmer, if that is how it goes. This will be what makes me cut down a volunteer Quercus Alba, or keep it. If the Q. Virg. "late drop" lives this winter, I will have to remove the Q. Alba growing in the same area. I can't dig it out and plant elsewhere, the roots are likely entangled with the Live oak now. Well, sorry this is so long, I will try to wait for another update, but I figured this was worth posting about, if you have any news I'll be glad to hear it, if not no biggie. You are probably busy, especially if you travel for work.


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Poaky, what part of PA are you? When you say zone 6, do you mean zone 6 like around Pittsburgh, or zone 6 like Lancaster County or the fringes of Philly (really more z7 there)?


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Hairmetal, I am on the Pittsburgh side, but more southern than Pittsburgh. I am about a half hours drive from Morgantown, Wv. I am in zip code 15480 under Smock Pa. I always get zone 6 for an answer on zone finder sites. It is this particular hybrid of Live oak, which is hardier. I have tried many regular Q. Virg. in my yard, one in the exact same area as the one in one pic above. The L.O. "late drop" are from the same nursery in Miss. where I bought the last order of reg L.O. which failed. I made a mistake and planted a few more last fall of the "late drop" and they may have not made it. Those who are doing good, despite some top die-back were planted in spring 2012 in ground and did great all last winter. I am willing to buy a couple more "late drop" this spring and try again. One planted last fall looks good though, it was in a pvc pipe that fell on it's side. The branches are pencil lead thin on the largest survivor, so I think more maturity will make it even better if next winter is anything like this one.


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Poaky,
It's been in the low 70's here last 5 days, yesterday 80 (March 11) today mid 50's and rest of week and weekend in high 60's.

A couple more weeks of this without cold and I will see how the Fusiformis live oaks look. I like to see cold nights, until April as I don't want a last minute freeze.


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Joe in Mo, We had a high of 62 F today, it is 26 F now. We have had some relatively high temps the last couple days, and cold nights.


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I am trying some Acorns from Sheffeild's seeds, of Q. Fusiformis. I will be likely ordering more Live oak "late drop" from Mossy oak natives. Those I planted in fall haven't fared well, compared to those planted in spring 2012. I will be paying for the new seedlings, but I am confident in their hardiness.


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Poaky,

60's -70's rest of week.

I picked some acorns off trees in northern Texas in January. I figured these might be similar to your late drop. There were not many, but a few are starting to sprout. We shall see.


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The Q. Fusiformis var. Virginiana from Sheffeilds I ordered after ( I think) Hairmetal mentioned they are sourced from Louisiana, and stated zone 6 hardy on the Sheffeilds website. So likely have some lineiage of those from quartz mountain, which I THINK is mentioned on the Sheffeild's site to describe the acorns I bought. My friend which I planted 2 "late drop" live oaks in her yard, which is a possible zone 5 ( or 5b) Those trees croaked and got nibbled by wildlife (my stupidity for not protecting). Long story short, I will be planting her some acorns of the Q. Fusi var. Virg, AND 2 new SPRING planted Q. Virg "late drop". I am planting several of each (of the 2 varieties) where my 3 that didn't make it. If you are tired, I don't blame you for figuring "ok, whatever" in a couple months, I will have pictures, instead of typing, that should be more interesting. They gave me several acorns, instead of the 4 that I thought I would be getting.


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Joe my last post may not make lots of sense. I have some acorns from Louisiana, which I bought from Sheffeild's seeds. I am sending a couple to Hairmetal. I planted some in my yard and a friends yard. If you want a couple, let me know. I will hold onto a couple for a week or so, in case you want a couple. It seems like you have a lot of L.O 's, but just wanted to offer before I plant all I have.


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Hi Poaky,

Sure I would like to have the acorns, I can send you a year old seedling when it get warmer if you want.

How do we contact each other in private on here to exchange addresses?

Scratch that - just seen your address on a different post will send you out bubble mailer with postage, then you will have my address.

Mid April I will send you out a seedling from last year, don't want it to freeze in transit.

This post was edited by joeinmo on Sun, Mar 23, 14 at 19:23


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Joe, Yeah the 119 Vail lane etc is my address. The seedling you will send me, which is it, a pure Q. Fusiformis, or a Fusi and Virginiana? Also, has it withstood this winter uncovered, or under shelter? I plan on putting it in a well drained area if it's a pure Fusi. I looked at my older "late drops" today and the biggest one seems like the top may be unharmed after all. The dog yard bigger one may have die-back on top, but my other dog yard small one may be unscathed. I'll be looking for your envelope. Those acorns I have left don't have taproots noticeably coming out like those I gave to Hairmetal, but are moist without mold, and should be fine. Those I am sending are listed as Quercus Fusiformis var. Virginiana, from Louisiana interestingly. From Louisiana makes me think it may be like my "late drop" in fast growth. Well, the "Late drop" are from a nursery in Mississippi, but I am not sure of the collection site. Well, let me know when you get the acorns Joe, I'll likely get your envelope in a day or 2.


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Poaky,

I'm guessing Fusiformis late drop as I picked the acorns in late Dec,

They are from extreme northern Texas about 5 miles from Oklahoma border.

No they have been in my make shift patio greenhouse all winter.


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I just sent out your seeds (3) today. You should get them within the week. Wait until May to send me the Texas/ Oklahoma seedling. I'll update a couple weeks later.


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Poaky,

I will look for them in the mail, no problem May it is.

Very warm here, looks like we are going to get some severe weather.

Waiting for Live Oak, it appears that small buds are starting to swell. Let's hope it's not my imagination.


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I heard your area was in (generally) the path of a tornado. Mississippi had a big one come through. Hope you are fine still. My largest L.O. "late drop" is definitely going to bounce back without any top damage. I see little pink/red buds on top. I am worried it may leaf out too soon though, we have been pretty warm for about 3 days. Of my other L.O. "late drops" I think I have 3 more that will be undamaged, but will wait to say for sure. Those I planted last fall (late drop) are goners. I will replace them this coming spring in May. It may have been that they needed to get settled in, and slowly get accustomed to fall here, instead of abruptly going from Mississippi to Pa, and facing our winter. Hope you avoided the storm and all is good where you are.


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Poaky,

No Tornado here, just strong winds, pea size hail, about 3 hours NE of here they had a tornado in Missouri, but about 1 hour SE of here in Baxter Co. Arkansas they might have had a baby tornado.

Received acorns yesterday, planted, now we will wait. Thanks will keep you informed.

PS I picked some wild bamboo about 30 minutes from here just over Arkansas border, should do great!

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Great to hear you and yours are fine. My yard had endured some strong winds also. I am glad you received the acorns I sent you, I hope they were in good condition. I forgot to write FRAGILE etc. I hope they were intact. I think the worse element in my yard, is the keeping of favorable conditions of plants, before planting. The Live oaks (3 of them) which were planted a couple years ago. And one was planted a year ago, I believe". It is still pending planting. I just hope that I can eventually get back to my family's Oak tree seed planting. "Quercus Robur" Seed needs planted.


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Poaky,

I have a ton of robur sourced from a tree with long and skinny acorns. They're a total botanical oddity. They look like mini cigars.

Email me and I can send three or more. They were in my hoophouse which had shingles fly thru it mid winter (plus) we had a brutal winter so I would find three that look alive and you'll just have to wait until they leaf to be sure. I brought them into my basement that same day but wasn't able to water any of them from Jan-Mar. Had a ton of plants occupying my basement.

Grafted a live oak from zone 6b in Kentucky (42240 zip) but waiting. May have one for you.

Dax


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I am sorry the end of the last post makes no sense at the end.. I had been drinking. The still pending planting is because I need to order more,but need to wait until May, because storing a Live oak from Mississippi now would make it hard to keep until May here in Pa. The Quercus Robur planting, is because I was going to cut down one too close to my "late drop" Live oak. The my family's oak seeds, doesn't make sense to me. Sorry for being an a*s, on that last post. Dax, thanks for the offer, but I will not be cutting down the Q. Robur, and needing to plant more acorns. The Q. Robur is an upright growing tree anyway, but not fastigiated.


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Right on. Well I'll have some other real unusual oaks and will email you, poaky.

"Cheers," :-))))))))))

Dax


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Thanks Dax, Depending on the site needs of the unusual oaks, I may or may not be able to accept your offer. It's looking like I can accept any oaks that can grow in soil that may be slow draining at times. I have an oak (Live oak, "late drop") that popped up out of the soil, and I thought died, but there is a large swollen bud, ready to leaf out. This tree had rooted in my soil so good that there were roots in the soil enough to survive being heaved out of the soil about 4 inches, and still have roots in the ground. I had mulched it also, but the soil was wettish, and it heaved out. I need to wait a while to check on that and a couple other trees, to see if I can accept anything you have. It's nice of you to offer. My yard is getting full, but I may have room once I check for survivors all over my yard.


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DAX,I will be ordering a couple more Live oak "late drop". Those I've planted last fall may not have made it, and I'll be ordering a few more. Those I planted in spring have done better than my fall transplants. DAX, I was wondering if I sent you an extra one, you would plant it in spring, mulch it of course, and provide some extra water. Basically, some TLC this Spring?Summer. If no rain water it. My Live Oak "late drop" have shrugged off -10 F, 3 nights in a row. I think that If you tried the Live oak "late drop" in your garden you may be pleasantly surprised that the Live oak "late drop" is hardy to zone 6 in Pa, at least. The "late drop" live oak really is genetically hardier than the regular LIVE OAK, (Quercus Virginiana) Southern Live oak tree.


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Hi Poke,

The live oaks I grafted have gone thru -18 twice I believe. I grafted them onto floodplain quercus macrocarpa. The theory with the floodplain seed I used from The Wabash Valley of Illinois is that these acorns 'likely' have been carried (they float) along the Wabash River and they grow in extreme conditions of wet soils very-well. They also grow in upland areas of drought too. It's kind of the perfect understock if you were to ask me.

I'll be planting one of these grafts but still all of my grafted oaks are waiting for more heat units to pop. I have one pecan graft and a total of 30 oaks + 6 other pecans waiting yet dormant. I'd like to send one of these grafts to you. I think I grafted 7-9 of them and I was real happy with 5 I think, after I had put away the knife.

And my other seedlings range from Quercus libani to cerris to haas, aliena, and some more common ones + not many but a few crosses such as: marlandica x nigra, laceyi x stellata, rubra x phellos, cerris x libani. And I grew some zone 8-9 oaks of Mediterranean origin, too.

Will be in touch. Very slow right now w/2% or so popped.

Dax


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