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Identify this tree (black wood?)

Posted by behaviorkelton 7-ish (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 15, 11 at 6:53

I'm no tree guy, but I was surprised at the wood in this recently dropped tree.

Can anyone identify this tree just from the bark & wood?


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Black Walnut


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Thanks!

I recently bought my first real land (8 acres as opposed to a suburban lot) and learning as I go. For now, I'm trying to create next year's firewood by dropping trees that are clearly sick. I'm also trying to strategically find places to fully clear, creating sunny areas so that I can plant selected, native, edible type trees there instead.

So given that red oak has reddish wood and black walnut has black wood... can I assume that tree color names are based upon wood? (although obvious now, I am somewhat surprised at this)


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i will bet that that black walnut had a higher value than firewood ...

your county soil conservation district/ Ag office.. most likely has a forester available to ID trees for value ...

ken


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shucks!... and I already chainsaw'd those chunks you see in the photo. Those are probably the best parts.

I'll check into the possibility of selling them.

The Black Walnuts ... the older ones... seem to be sick anyway (and they spread themselves like weeds apparently)


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Cabinetmakers everywhere are weeping!


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My brother once did that to a large persimmon log that I had been drying for some years in my wood shed. Actually, I think the common name "Black Walnut" comes from the fact that the nut is black, not from the wood color.


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Dec 15, 11 at 11:26

Occupants of land containing large walnut and hickory trees here have strangers appearing and offering to buy the wood. Gun stock makers will supposedly pay hundreds just for stumps and roots.

Which they dig up and take away themselves.


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If you decide to remove many more black walnuts, email me and I can give you contact info for at least one local guy that might buy the wood. I'm not sure it will be all that lucrative to sell in small quantities, but you can always try.

Keep thousand cankers disease in mind when you are deciding what to remove. A miracle may occur and our black walnuts in this area may be saved, but chances are pretty small. I would not get attached to any of my black walnuts growing here in east TN.


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I posted an ad in Craigslist a few minutes ago and have already received a couple responses.

One was telling me that I cut the chunks to small... but those are just a few hunks that I cut off before stopping.

Brandon... feel free to give me the contact. I'm not totally sure I want to bother with selling this stuff unless it really seems to be worth the trouble.


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Email sent.


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loggers.. will want many to make it profitable ...

but even one can be of value ... in the sense that you might get it taken down for free ... rather than paying $100 to fell a large problem tree ... [though i would make sure that the perp is fully insured.. before he came on my property]

should i be looking for my check for bringing the value to mind.. lol ... a finders fee??? .... i suspect i shall not be holding my breath .. lol ..

ken


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Well, I'm somewhat happily dropping the few trees that I've dropped to make some sunny places for my edible tree idea.

The wood is then harvested for the wood burning furnace... so I'm actually wanting the wood from the trees I'm dropping. I'm trying to create a big stash of split wood for next year(s).

However, if by some magical twist, I can get paid enough that I'm willing to forgo the wood-burning aspects of it, I might do that. (I'd also have to tolerate the hassles of large vehicles crisscrossing my property and probably making a nasty, mucky mess)

Because these trees are in the woods, it doesn't take much skill to drop them. It's a tad dangerous, but I don't have to worry about hitting a house or powerline. It's actually excellent practice as I try to deliberately "aim" my cuts so the tree falls as planned.


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behavior, FWIW I cut firewood alot, I was running my Stihl today. I generally prefer Black Locust.
We have alot of Black Walnut, here it grows exclusively in floodplains. Its companions are willow, gr. ash, boxelder, spicebush and its companion is routinely fox grape. These areas are wet during part of the year. I imagine its the same for you in TN. What do you mean "edible tree idea"?
This is just my own personal experience, both sycamore and bl. walnut burn dirty, they make poor firewood.


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as i said.. the local soil conservation/Ag office ... in your county.. most likely can provide a person to ID your trees.. even for firewood.. that is important ... as some woods are barely worth the effort to burn .. but for ben franklin ...

ken


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In googling, I find that people like the aroma of burning walnut, but that it is definitely middle of the road for heat-production. It tends to leave more ashes behind, too.

As for growing in the floodplains, I'm actually near the very top of the tallest hill in my area of Knoxville (Holston Hills). I'm looking down on my town's lights from just about all directions. The Walnuts seem pretty aggressive up here, too. I could do without them.

I'll probably let the split walnut go two years before burning.

Just so you know, I'm very frugal on when I use the heat. For instance, it is Dec. 17th, and I have probably used the central heat for a grand total of 10 hours and the wood for maybe 15 hours. Don't want you to get the impression that I'm puffing smoke 24/7.

It is almost 11am right now, 38degrees outside, and the heat is off. When I lived in Florida, I would blast the heat under these conditions. For some reason, I'm kinda ok with a bit of nip in the house now that I'm in Tennessee.


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  • Posted by jqpublic 7b/8a Wake County NC (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 20, 11 at 2:04

From what you say the BW trees are "clearly sick", but you weren't even sure of the name of he tree. Perhaps we can help to diagnose other "sick" trees to save some of them from being felled. They do offer great landscape value and are worth a lot once felled. The only thing I see on your logs was that a vine may have been growing up the tree. Do you have pictures of "sick" trees you haven't cut down?


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If Kelton says they're sick, I'd bet they're sick. I doubt he needs anyone to second guess him on that. And, since he didn't ask us to diagnose the problem, we don't have to worry about that part.


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The trunk does indeed look wonderful, but the head of the tree looked half dead (in the summer) with many of the limbs halved by rot.

Being sick isn't the only criteria. I do want to clear a sunny spot and have selected an area in which many of the trees are either all consumed with ivy clear to the top, sick, or are spindly and thin due to intense competition...and I'm not seeking to clear much of an area at all... just enough for an orchard of 10 or so trees to get sun.

I'm also want to get rid of most of those walnuts and replace them with more desirable varieties that do well here and serve the wildlife... like serviceberry.

I'm going to allow a huge amount of half dead trees to stand though because I know that some critters use that as habitat.

Question: Do the trees that are thin, stretched tall and spindly finally expand or fatten up once their nearest competition is removed?


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"I'm also want to get rid of most of those walnuts and replace them with more desirable varieties that do well here and serve the wildlife... like serviceberry."

I know "they" say serviceberries and walnuts don't get along, but I have a serviceberry (x grandiflora) doing fine under the canopy of a black walnut for about 15 years now.

tj


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That's good to know about the serviceberry.

I don't have the time to remove all walnuts, but I'm wondering if I have any that don't look like crap! (I do think I have a number of very young ones that look good)


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Well, I've called around (a few sawmills)... most say that it won't be worth the trouble or expense to access the tree.

Also, there is a quarantine on Black Walnut!!! So, you aren't allowed to transport black walnut outside of our county... this, to prevent the spread of a canker disease that has entered our area... and even more, to prevent the spread to the Appalachian mountains.


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