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Top 3 Acer rubrum cultivars for good consistent fall color

Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 9:05

I'm floored by the number of Acer rubrum cultivars and even the Freeman cultivars as well.

Curious if anyone has found three particular varieties that have proven to have good consistent fall color, particularly for the midwest that lend themselves to a good compact habit (ie not a massive sized species tree).

'Autumn Spire' is the first that I found.

Two that I found out that are busts are 'Scarlet Sentinel' and 'Armstrong'.

Looking for a dominating red fall color and Acer rubrum is probably as good as its going to get for a nice sized lawn tree in my area.


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RE: Top 3 Acer rubrum cultivars for good consistent fall color

I think regional considerations have to be made. For example I've heard that 'October Glory' is a good southern cultivar but not as good when used in northern climates.


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Red Sunset in more northern areas IMHO is about a good as they come. Been around since the 60's IIRC, and still one of the best. For me in my location, both RS and OG produce great color, with the OG being vibrant.

Might look into Burgundy Belle aka Magnificent Magenta.

Arktrees

This post was edited by arktrees on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 14:35


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 12:19

Thanks for the comments thus far.

My neighbor from a few years back had October Glory and it was just ok.

Red Sunset is one to look at, as you mentioned, as it seems to be the gold standard. A bit large for what I want but it does have upright branching.

I actually have Magnificent Magenta on order based on the feedback from a local grower but this plant might be a bit too big as it has a spreading branching habit.

Brandywine might be another to look at due to its leafhopper reistance.

Now if I could just find one that is frost crack resistant!


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 13:02

They'e all going to be a bit large. If you are going by commercial sources and others depicting growth potential based on not fully developed examples then you are thinking of them as being smaller-growing than they really are. Any red or Freeman maple planting should be expected to produce a full-sized tree over 60' tall in time, except in locations where virtually no kinds of trees get big, due to climate and/or soils etc.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 13:44

Just talking width here, the height is the limit!

I'd like to have a plant that matures around 30' wide.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 16:00

Alright I found Red Sunset has a fairly short lived fall color for the midwest and further found that October Glory is one of the last to color so that explains why its not the best choice for northern climates.

I have Acer rubrum 'Sun Valley' which is a hybrid between Autumn Flame (which colors early) and Red Sunset and exhibits resistance to leafhopper.

So far I'd rank 'Sun Valley' and 'Autumn Spire' at the top.

There has to be a couple more right?


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depends on who you talk to, where they are, and about sixty other factors that may or may not include type of soil. when i lived in fsrgo, fall color of any kind in the clay of the red river valley was hard to come by. go a few miles to either side, outside of the small ridge that defined the river bed, and things colored fine.

for instance, in my experience, autumn spire is so-so for fall color. burgundy belle is the only one i'd reliably recommend without getting a full checklist completed, if fall color is of paramount impotance.


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I can't tell you if this one is good, great, or other... I've always been attracted to it though: 'Embers'.

See the Spring Grove photo on the competitor website to GW.

Dax

Here is a link that might be useful: Sooner - Embers: sold out currently


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 21:03

Well 'Embers' sure is a nice name, but not much info on this tree.

I reviewed the patent for Burgundy Belle and the parent tree was noted to be 45' tall and the width close to 90% of the height. I couldn't determine the trees age but that is a very wide tree for a 45' tall tree.

Strobe, where did you witness the Autumn Spire fall color?

Not necessarily looking for knock your socks off fall color but a good reliable fall color. Almost tempted to use a Freeman maple but I have a garden bed about 20' way.

Acer 'John Pair' is also on my list but I don't know if it will color nicely in this area.


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whaas,
I would be just a bit leery of John Pair in your area. Not because of color change but because it is a Sugar Maple adapted to a drier and much hotter climate than you have. It originates from the Caddo ecotype which was found in a small canyon west of Oklahoma City Oklahoma. However, if you are considering Sugar Maples as well, I have a couple of suggestions that are rather red in color. 'Bonfire' is supposed to have a very consistent reddish fall color. It also appears to be the fastest growing Sugar Maple around. Also 'Wright Brothers' is supposed to be much redder as well.

As for the freeman maples, got to go back to Autumn Fantasy again. Spectacular and consistant!!!

I realize these probable get bigger than you are looking for, but consider this. How long are you going to be there? The next person may just hate whatever you plant and cut much or all of it down. Even if that does not happen, your talking many many many years before they begin competing, and mostly trees grow much more closely in the native habitats that the ideal maximum size anyway. In short, IMHO don't plant trees 2-5' apart, but 15-20' will be fine as long as they are not that close to another tree on more than 2 sides.

Arktrees


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Mon, Dec 3, 12 at 1:44

Most of them will grow well more than 30' wide, again we are talking about big trees and not serviceberries or crabapples. If you want to never break that barrier you will have to plant a quite upright and narrow Freeman maple, assume it will take a long enough time to get 30' wide to be acceptable.


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Maybe too strictly columnar, but Red Rocket is from a MN seed source.

Autumn Spire is the rubrum parent for Firefall. I have been impressed with the coloring so far, tends to be more orange, but vibrant. Colors up much earlier than Autumn Blaze.

Speaking of Autumn Spire, parents have one and never fails to impress. This year was especially impressive.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Mon, Dec 3, 12 at 10:50

Ron, that is why I was after a more upright branching pattern. If I'm not mistaken it appears even the spreading branching of Burgundy Belle took 30 to 40 years to get 40' wide so I'm not too worried about some of these upright compact selections in the midwest. Autumn Spire is a selection that might take 50 years to hit 25' wide. I also have Super Sonic Red which may never hit 20' wide ever.

Firefall sounds promising since it colors early. Perhaps a bit too wide yet.

Autumn Spire was developed by the Golphers so I'd expect good fall color in your area. Do you have an inclination as to the soil type and PH at your parents?


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  • Posted by bboy USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA (My Page) on
    Mon, Dec 3, 12 at 14:19

Photos of 'Magnificent Magenta' show a typical broad habit. Only 25' wide after 50 years I'd want to see in person to believe. Of course, I'm in western USDA 8. But we are talking about trees native back there.

I look at trees everywhere I go and have measured or been present for the measuring of hundreds of specimens. Red and Freeman maples are very common in the occupied landscape out here, even in this comparatively young part of the country some big examples have been produced by now. I grew two 'Franksred' in my back yard for years, until they became too dominating. Descriptions of it as narrow-growing or upright in habit do not fit my experience of this tree.

My research also involves many hours looking at wholesale nursery catalogs and web sites. Commercial depictions repeatedly feature non-threatening short heights and narrow spreads for cultivars of trees not otherwise described as differing from the normal for quite large-growing, vigorous species. Tough kinds that size up rapidly in open fields are what tends to produced. When less vigorous selections are included in the product mix these tend to be noticeable more expensive, due to the increased time needed to get a finished product.


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waas, my experience with autumn spire come from mn...anywhere from se minneapolis to bemidji. of all the maple cultivars from rubrum and freeman, most impressed with burgundy belle. question...ya gotto go with reddish fall color? the deciduous conifers would deliver all the height you could desire, and in wi, doubtful they'd ever get too wide...and i betcha ken would provide pictures, even if ya didn't buy him coffee.


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (NW) (My Page) on
    Mon, Dec 3, 12 at 22:16

Interesting since that is the hometown of Autumn Spire, basically where the plant was evaluated. Your comments are inline with the grower of Burgundy Belle here in SE WI.

I wanted to go with red as I have Tulip Tree, Sugar Maple and and a couple Dawn Redwood in the neighbor. I need that red to enhance the fall color palette.

Thanks for sharing your experience.


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Sandy soil. Don't know the pH.


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