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well drilling site?

Posted by lilies4me 5 Central IL. (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 13, 07 at 14:18

Not sure where to post this...irrigation seemed like it's somewhat close so I hope some of you can help me.

Years ago (10 - 15 yrs) I saw quite a few ads in magazines like Mother Earth News showing a water drilling device that seemed very simple...it used water to bore a well. If I remember right the ads indicated you could drill hundreds of feet deep until you found water. The device did not use a drill bit...simply hydraulic pressure/flow to create the well hole.

Does this ring a bell with anyone? I suspect it turned out to be bogus because I don't see those ads anymore...but if it's valid I'd like to investigate it more.

Any help? thank you!


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  • Posted by mikie z9 St.Pete.FL (My Page) on
    Thu, Jan 18, 07 at 18:57

Might look here, for shallow well anyhow. http://www.bradyproducts.com/faq.htm

I jetted down shallow wells,, piece of cake. But unless youre real fast with lots of available water, dont think you could go real deep without the dirt grabbing hold of the pipe sides.


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Based on my recent experience, whatever you do, don't purchase one of the portable well drill rigs sold by hydra-jett (or hydra-fab as they are also known). In case, their manufacturing is shoddy, the rig I purchased was defective out of the box and they don't stand behind their product. As my experience suggests, their 'warranty' 'guarantee' and 'return policy' are meaningless. I recently purchased their 6.5 HP boremaster drill rig which turned out to be a worthless piece of junk. Moroever, hydra-jett has refused to offer any restitution or refund -- despite them proclaiming they warranty, guarantee and provide a refund within 10 days.

What's wrong with this rig? The short list would be that the machining was poor. The packing was deficient, and their guarantee, warranty and return policy are meaningless words. The frame and mast columns were out of alignment which prevented the drill head (motor) from exerting sufficient pressure to actually drill more than 2 feet!

Four holes that were to have been pre-drilled weren't drilled at all. One of the key welds which held the 'foot' of the rig together failed. The swivel seal leaked like a sieve and the screws holding the cheap chinese made winch to the mounting plate sheared off! The drill bit was machined so that it was about 5 degrees off, which combined with the shaft of the swivel also being off by about 5-8 degrees, causes the drill stem to deflect and wobble.

In my case, Hydra-jett refuses to stand behind their product and honor their 'warranty' and their 'guarantee'. If my experience is any guide, should you have problems with their products, they will refuse to credit you even after you've gone several extra miles to get their shoddy equipment to work, and despite multiple phone calls and documentation. Their rep, Mr. Tim King will deny any and all responsibility and assure you that nothing like this has ever happened. He will forget conversations you had with him and simply deny that your problems are real and suggest you are making things up.

Note that their web site

http://www.hydra-jett.com/index.html

says they will refund within 10 days 'less shipping' provided the equipment HASN'T BEEN USED! But how can you determine if it works if you don't use it?

Now I'm stuck with a useless bunch of junk, out not just my $2,400 purchase price and $250 shipping, but several lost days and expenses involved in trying to fix and repair the thing. It's going to take about another $1,000 - $1,500 of repairs to fix the out of square drill head frame and mast. Plus I'm going to have to buy another couple hundred dollars of decent drill bits because their's are off by about 5 degrees. This will cause even get the drill head to actually drill more than 2 feet.

If you are looking for a decent portable drill, expect to pay about $6,000 - $15,000 for something that you can count on to actually work. But based on my experience, don't expect it to be built by hydra-jett. Or, build you own with plans from drillfab. Others I would recommend for purchase are the LS 100/200/300 line from Lone Star Bit, and possibly the Portadrillmini from Midwest Machinery. Even so, be sure you get an unconditional guarantee that if it doesn't work they will refund your money.

And whatever you do, in my opinion, you should avoid Hydra-jett like the plague

Best of luck.

Here is a link that might be useful: very bad drill and poor customer service


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I totally agree with welldonewell, Hydra fab sell bunches of made in China pieces of scrap.
Bad thing I found all these after I paid big money for a BoreMaster Trailer Mounted Hydraulic Rig and a BoreMaster ZX-1000 Series. Yes I was that stupid. This piece of junk had nothing to do with engineering and nothing to do with common sense. If you hang the Trailer Mounted Hydraulic Rig on your car hitch you have a good chance to wreck your car for good (it pushes down on your hitch with about 700 lbs) this is away more that any SUV car can take on the rear wheels or suspension.
The next surprise I had from Hydra Fab also known as Hydra-jett is that I paid for two rigs as mentioned above and they send me only one, the trailer mounted one, with no drill pipes, no tricone drill bit (I paid for two) and the mud pump was gasoline instead of the Diesel I ordered, I have no manuals, certificate of origin or any sort of guidance. No sign of BoreMaster ZX-1000 Series what so ever. They didn't answer my E-mails or phone calls since. I am stuck with this incomplete equipment, not knowing anything about the service, hydraulic oil I need, any other oils that this piece of machinery needs. Don't believe what the say about their rigs, they look like normal human beings until you pay and they just ignore you right after. It is 3 weeks now and they are not willing to send me the missing equipment or refund my money. Think about this.


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my experience with hydra fab is the complete opposite,
I purchased a zx1000 and up to this point i have completed 5 wells, I have had to do some maintainance but this is expected i had to purchase a rock bit as i was drilling into granite and shale.
the mud pump seals did fail, but this was due to the type of rock shavings that were being pumped out of the borehole,a hose or two had to be replaced from wear and the swivel had to be adjusted and greased periodically,I broke 2 drill stems because of drilling too fast into rock,
I was able to get the parts from hydra fab and got things working again.
for what i paid i am saving a bundle as wells in my area cost $11.00/foot for the hole reguardless if you hit water or not.
my deepest well so far 190 feet and the shallowest was 40 feet.all drilling through shale clay and soft granite.
well drilling is not like mowing your lawn,this is art more than science,the learing curve can be steep
Talk to local well drillers and you get a sense of why their equipment cost so much.
in my opinion hydra fab makes a very decent product
and used within its limitations it delivers as promised.


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This link looks like the best way to drill a shallow well.
Looks like the drilling will cost very little with a small amount of work.
I conected my hose to copper tubing, and pushed it under my sidewalk. Very easy.
If your water pressure is week a pressure washer will increse your water pressure.

Karyl

Here is a link that might be useful: Drill Your Own Well using PVC Pipe


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Russ,
I was wondering if you could tell me if you're still were happy with your boremaster well driller?
I am seriously considering buying the ZX-1000 myself and have found mixed results when searching the web for peoples experience with it.
Are you still happy with the well driller, and how many wells have you completed now?
Any tips or other advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brett


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Hi Brett and Russ,

Just wondering whether you purchased the ZX-1000 from hydra fab? I also am looking for advice before I make my purchase of the trailer mounted rig manufactured by hydra fab. I'm guessing if I suggested to them the installment of brand name equipment for the mud pump etc it might make things perform a whole lot better. I'm from the South Pacific I am an engineer and chinese products and I do not mix especially when it comes to machinery. Hydra Fab actually brand there stuff to be made in the USA, its a shame to be putting down the old American quality made products reputation. I'm sure Snap-On won't be too happy about that. Anyway am planning to make the trip over next month to have a good look at the product. Will be pulling out any chinese made products and replaceing the gas engine with german diesel engines. Will sure as Hell operate the machinery at their factory before I make the purchase order extra seals and parts that wear out quickly as the rig will be making a long trip away to the South Pacific. Am guessing it will be ok drilling out here as most of the islands here are coral atolls so the main and pretty much only rock will be limestone. Have been drilling out here for seven years on an Australian made rig, however like to try this Hydra Fab rig out.

Thanks


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Karl,

I have used the inforamtion on this sight to drill my own well. I was surprised how easy it actually worked. In Florida i was easily able to drill ten feet in about ten minutes. The only hard part is goign through hard pan, but after about 20 minutes you pass through it and end up hitting water bearing sand. I was really surprised how well this actually works. It almost illiminates having a professional comming out to drill.

Al


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Just bought the bore master. Dissappointed in the product from the get go. Shaft seal failed in the pump 15 minutes after starting up new. Impeller was gone in less than 2 hours. Hydra fab sent me a clear water transfer pump instead of a trash/ mud pump. I called and talked to Tim. He acted like this was unusual, and something that just does not occurr. Said he was going to send me a couple more impellers and shaft seals, and to let him know if these fail. It's been 2 weeks and I still haven't seen the parts. Overall, the machine appears to be built by someone who has never drilled a well before. The drill stems are not built with edges on them to prevent them from falling back in the well as you are pulling out the stems. The drill plate isn't manufactured to safely hold the drill stems between change outs. The cheap electric winch down button has failed before the 1st well was finished. The clutch on the engine has never worked. It stays engaged all the time. You better have a 120 volt power source and battery charger, or your winch will pull down the battery.Just an overall piece of crap. Be patient and get the professional out there to put you a well down.


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Deep rock has a good one, i bought one years ago and drilled about 20 wells. I sold it to a friend and he drilled a lot more.

http://www.deeprock.com/


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We will be posting some of the many positive reviews we receive. The following message was sent to us by a missionary who used a ZX-1000 Drilling Rig in South Sudan. National Geographic also did a documentary on this site, you can view the video below.

Charlott
This is simply to give you an update on the BoreMaster you sold us some months ago. Everything takes so long in South Sudan that it has only drilled a couple wells but it is doing good work!! You can see it in this National Geographic video towards the end if you have time to view it. I remember how helpful you were in assisting me in selecting the right product and options on this rig,,,,, Thank you again for your help!! I believe someone else has ordered a second identical unit since we purchased the first. Our church is sending seven people there in February to drill more wells so we will have more BoreMaster experience to report in March.
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/01/03/the-village-a-look-at-life-in-south-sudan/
Sincerely,
Ray Micheel

Here is a link that might be useful: National Geographic Video


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It's too bad, usually, only the few disgruntled customers take the time to post a (slander) --- I mean a review, but some of the many happy customers send comments to us, so we thought we would post some of their comments. This one below is from a customer who took a rig to Bagdad:

Charlot,  
Here are some pics of the well drilling equipment in action.  This machine will be used to drill wells in the Eastern part of Baghdad in what they call Al Mada'in qadha (or county).  It is located about 5-6km away from the Tigris River.  The USDA helped establish the agricultural cooperative Green Mada'in Association for Agricultural Development (GMAAD) in this area.  They currently have around 1000 members.  The equipment will be used to drill wells for their members.  The water will primarily be used to provide fresh water to aid in greenhouse production.  Needless to say, it will be a huge benefit to the farmers and has the potential to change the area.  If greenhouses have water, they can produce tons and tons of crops.  This will provide jobs and ultimately change the security situation we are facing now for the better.  Instead of planting IEDs, young men can plant agricultural crops.  We are very excited about GMAAD getting this quality equipment.  We will try to provide you with more pictures as they become available.  Please share these pictures and this story with your customers.  We are also happy to report that test wells have been drilled and water was discovered every time.  We told them to drill a little deeper to reach the oil and then tell us :-).  
Have a great day!   Thad 


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Two years after this customer purchased a rig from us, ZX-1000, we found out that he is a drummer in Las Vegas.

Hi Tim & Charlotte ! I just wanted to say Thank You to you both for all your help with my rig over the past 2 years. You'll never know how much it means to have such great people (and friends) stand behind your product the way you do! It is so refreshing to deal with folks that truly care about there customers long after the sale!!! God willing I will get this in and be overjoyed to call it complete!!!
I'm enclosing a few pictures that I thought you might enjoy of me playing with Donny & Marie Osmond in Vegas.....

After a hard day drilling! My son Benny is a great helper!
Below is a picture of me playing the Donny & Marie show on drums in the upper right!


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BoreMaster Drilling Rigs

From: Jeffrey XXXXXXXXX@aol.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: Hydra-Fab
Subject: XXXXX Rig
Date: May 17, 2014 1:11 AM
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This is an incredible little rig. Went thru hard pan like butter. I drilled 70 feet with 8" bit in 4 hours.
Jeff XXXXXXXX

From: Jeffrey XXXXXXXXX@aol.com> [Add to Address Book]
To: Hydra-Fab
Subject: well
Date: May 18, 2014 1:59 PM
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Hole is nice and straight. Well driller took 2 months next door with cable tool
Jeff


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Did a Hydrajett boremaster alert search and this is what I found.
Hydra Jett bormater hydrafab Tim king Alert.
After they cash your check, they do not answer calls. they have a big screen TV for called ID .boremaster tim king hydrafab hydra jett
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Hydra-Fab-Manufacturing/Phenix-City-Alabama-36869/Hydra-Fab-Manufacturing-Hydra-Jett-Lied-cheated-abused-Phenix-City-Alabama-1139737

ebay seller got burned, Hydra jett changes ebay user name to hide bad feedback.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Hydra-Fab-BoreMaster-Drilling-Rigs-High-Quality-/10000000005232562/g.html

3# hydra jett buyers boremaster tim king hydrafab tells real story of hydra jett bormaster china junk.
http://www.yellowpages.com/phenix-city-al/mip/hydra-fab-manufacturing-823636

Hydra jett boremaster junk Swivel leaks on 1st test hole
http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/water/msg0114182010617.html?13

Hydra jett rip off report boremaster tim king hydrafab
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Hydra-Fab-Manufacturing/Phenix-City-Alabama-36869/Hydra-Fab-Manufacturing-Hydra-Jett-Lied-cheated-abused-Phenix-City-Alabama-1139737

Hydra jett boremaster tim king hydrafab has 13 BBB reports in less than 1 year. With many more pending
http://www.bbb.org/columbus-georgia/business-reviews/water-well-drilling-equipment-and-supplies/hydra-fab-in-phenix-city-al-9001543/

Ebay buyers gets jipped by hydra jett bormeaster tim king
http://www.ebay.de/gds/Hydra-Fab-BoreMaster-Drilling-Rigs-High-Quality-/10000000005232562/g.html

Hydra jett rig breaks down , and No help.
http://www.complaint.tv/hydra_fab_manufacturing_inc_water_drill_scam-5844.html

Read all his replys, ITS NEVER HIS FAULT.


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You have to give Boremaster hydracrap tim king credit, even though he has tons and ton of complaints, he still suckers people into buying his cheap rigs. He talks quality, but his prices are less than half of other rig manufactures.
Do the math.
I almost got suckered too, until I did a search on hydrafab.

Funny thing is, tim king keeps posting rebuttals all over web, and all this does is keep him on top of search engines and current, if he laid low, they go away in time. Thanks tim for the help, you saved me ..


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Thanks for the warning garden web, we almost bought a hydra boremaster from tim kinn. Glad I did my homework and a few simple searches.

I will have to admit, his prices are cheapest anywhere, like 1000s less. So cheap I almost lost my head.
I guess this is what lured me in.
Better stick with you get what you pay for.


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