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ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

Posted by pam_chesbay 8a VA (My Page) on
Thu, Nov 12, 09 at 17:50

I am intrigued by wintersowing - it's such a sensible idea that you wonder why you didn't think of it.

Although I plan to WS in containers, I'm curious about wintersowing in a a hoophouse. I don't know which plants should do well in a hoophouse v. those that need the extra protection of a container.

I read Token's references to his hoophouse, but I don't know how well it worked. Token and others: did you plant all seeds in your HH? Did you plant seeds in containers, then put the containers in the HH? Did you provide any heat (we use a light bulb in the pump house to keep the pump from freezing)

Which plants did well? Which struggled or failed? Any advice or tips you all can pass along?

I'm have two 4' x 8' raised beds - I'm using reebar and PVC pipe to make them into hoophouses. I don't know how thick the plastic covering should be (i.e., 4 mil, 6 mil). I live in southeastern VA so my climate is pretty mild but we have high winds at times. Record low is 6 degrees.

I welcome advice from anyone with experiences to share.

Pam


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

  • Posted by trudi_d 7, Long Island (My Page) on
    Thu, Nov 12, 09 at 18:21

Hoop House is the same as a green house, it's just more flexible.

You need to have the door open and check the flats often to adjust soil moisture. In a hoop house there is no rain or snow to moisten the soil in the containers.


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

I used both containers and the hoophouse. The containers held mostly perennials while the hoophouse was used for annuals and tender things. The zinnias all germinated great, but I had problems with them growing after planting out. I used styrofoam cups in the hoophouse.

The plastic I use/d is 6mil, clear. I buy mine 10' x 25'. I have two 4'x8' beds I'll probably use this year. I spaced my hoops every 2'. I survived snow and ice last year, but I had to rebuilt it in March. The winds were a lot stronger than normal.

Like Trudi says, be careful of moisture. Heat can kill things quickly in the spring. I never left mine closed during the day after March 15 or so. I always had to leave it partially open or it got too hot inside.

I think this year, I'll sow annuals in one, perennials in the other, and maybe make a third one for cuttings, etc. I also plan to sow fewer seeds, but more, smaller containers than last year. I'd like nursery type starts to set out in my garden rather than fumbling with HOSs. I'll be sowing perennials this way. I like having chunks of annuals like petunias and marigolds scattered around.


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More information.

Below are links to my gardening blog. I use it as a journal to keep track of when I did what and how.


Wintersowing entries.


Hoophouse entries.

Not all of the plants you'll see were wintersown. Some were purchased, some from the year before. But if you read through those and still want to know more about the whats and whens, let me know. I'll see what I can dig up.

I love my hoophouse. I would nearly kill a plant on purpose if I could find a spot for a real greenhouse, with wood siding, and shingles. More like a solar powered potting shed. I'd still keep the hoophouse.


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

Token: Thanks for the links, especially about your hoophouse. My plan is similar (plastic over PVC), except that you used cinder blocks/bricks for heat retention. Great idea! I'll get the 6 mil plastic. I'd also like to make a cold frame - that's where my Dad grew his tomatoes, peppers, eggplants - he always had ripe tomatoes before July 4.

DH and I left home on Wednesday, just as the nor-easter was cranking up. We got home this afternoon - no serious damage, but a missing sailboat that we found in the woods across the cove. It is very hard to be away from your home during a "weather event."

The jury is also out re: the fall-winter garden. We got 9-12" of rain so the vegetable seedlings were well-hydrated before waves of salt or brackish water rolled over them for 2 days. Given the wave action, I'm not optimistic about the lettuce, but the kale, spinach, mizuna, and tatsoi look fine today. Swiss chard is a toss up.

Thanks again for the link to your site. It looks like you went into WS full bore!


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

I've been WS for like 8 out of the 10 yrs I've been growing to sell. Mostly because I don't have to worry about neighborhood pets or wild critters getting into my containers and flats.Sometimes we get such heavy rains that flats I have left out have all the potting mix and seeds beat out of them.

I started out with same set up as you Pam but found even the thickest clear painters plastic would rip in our winter and spring winds so I bit the bullet and bought greenhouse film. It runs the same as painters plastic you just have to by a larger roll but you can get mils that have different longivity from 4-10 yrs so you save lots of money just by the fact you don't have to replace it bi-yearly or yearly.I save the remnants after covering the GH and use that for low polytunnels over veggie crops

Also I lost my HH 2 yrs in a row due to uncommonly heavy snowfalls for our area.

Peggy


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

bigred:

Two questions:
1. Greenhouse film - what thickness/strength do you recommend? We don't get really cold temps here, nor much snow anymore. But we sure get high winds!

2. What are the dimensions of your low polytunnels? I don't think I need a tall HH for winter vegetables I grow from seed.

Pam


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

Does it matter that the greenhouse gets fairly warm when winter sowing? I don't heat mine, but sometimes it can get pretty warm in there on a sunny winter day. I am excited to try winter sowing, but can't decide where the best location would be.


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

sarahbarah: From what I've read, it's essential to monitor heat and water. People warn about young seedlings getting "fried."
On nice days, most people open the end of the HH or remove part of the plastic. You may want to look for a spot that gets some shade, especially afternoon shade.


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RE: ISO Advice About Wintersowing in a Hoophouse?

sarah, mine gets really warm given that our winter is really February and a bit of Jan/March. I have to open mine on one end if the daytime temperature is above 50, which isn't uncommon. I usually just leave it open during the warmest part of the day and close it before the sun sets so it can heat up again for the night. It's more trial and error than anything. Last year I lost one pan of petunias, due to sun exposure more than heat. I also use a white bedsheet as a shade cloth from about March 15 on. I take mine down as soon as there are no frosts in the 10 day forecast. The tomatoes get planted in those beds.


 
 

 

 


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