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plantmasterm z7 (
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Tue, Dec 28, 10 at 11:31
| has anyone had luck winter sowing himalayan blue poppies and arum italicum(lords & ladies) |
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| No luck. I WS Himalayan blue poppy seed last year, got one sprout but it didn't grow on. I've heard they're nearly impossible in Z5 so chances are not good in Z7 since they want cold. |
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| I WS some Himalayan blue poppy a couple years ago, got a couple sprouts, one survived the winter and half way thru the summer but our 100 degree days eventually did it in before it ever bloomed. |
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| plantmasterm, which Z7 are you in? Germinating isn't the issue, they will winter sow although they don't need those colder winter temperatures, it's the growing on the seedlings into plants that can be a problem, these are really climate dependent. Tiffy does a beautiful job in her microclimate near water in Z5 (I think 5, hopefully I'm not wrong), they are easy plants here in the PNW Z8 where we have no summer heat. Arum italicum will winter sow, fresh seed will usually germinate the first Spring and older dried/stored seed may germinate first Spring or take two seasons so don't toss the containers. And that's twice already today - what's fogging my memory. My zone that I'm having to type in but can't at the preview stage - Z8 WA Coast, wet and rainy |
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The first to bloom this past year. There were actually lots of them this year. These plants are 4-5 years old and morz8 has been a big help in keeping them going since they were divided with his inspiration the year before. They grow in a spot which gets am sunshine, noon shade and dappled shade the rest of the day. Behind this garden is where our sump pit water exits which keeps the area moist and cool even on hot summer days. |
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| Beeeuuutiful!! Thanks for sharing! I'm guessing that's as close as I'll ever get to seeing a real one. While it's a challenge to try growing them to the point they bloom, it just gets too hot where I am. USDA map says my ZIP code is Z5 but all the others (USNA et al) come down on Z6. Going by the temperature ranges, it's Z6 since I can't recall when it ever got down to 15 below zero even once. Coldest in recent years was -9 which puts me in Z6. It sort of frosts my son who lives a bit south of me because he's definitely Z5. (;-p) |
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| Wow, I hope the ones I winter sown look like that. Just one bloom is all I would love to see. My understanding is they like cool, mostly shade, moist conditions as described above. And the flowers (not all) need to be pinched for the plant to come back next year, so I am told. I am also trying meconopsis cambrica, which is it's close cousin. That one is much easier to sow, and likes the sun. I just hope the deer around here don't eat the tops off the flower buds like they did my sunflowers, meh. |
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| Gorgeous Tiffy! That is a beautiful blue, although odd and rare to see it in a flower. Wonder if this plant would grow in a partly shady irrigated spot where I live. Do you get many or any days over 90 F/ 32 C during the summer? Morz how about in western WA? Your white Dicentra is very pretty and the other plants look happy in that spot too. Do you think the sump pit water acts like a liquid fertilizer? |
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| I've never had a deer touch meconopsis grandis or betonicifolia, not even those plants outside the fence. Of course with deer, you never want to say never... M. cambrica is a totally different nature meconopsis, Self sows without hesitation, turns up in some very odd places - mine is the double orange Muriel Brown and the self sown seedlings still produce a lot of doubles. Tiffy, I was hoping you'd show up and give a perspective from another doable climate. OT, and while it doesn't matter 2 cents worth in gardening, I must not mention DH as often as I thought :) Woman, 61, married 40 yrs in April. |
RE: sowing himalayan blue poppy PS Temps
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- Posted by morz8 Z8 WA Coast (My Page) on
Tue, Dec 28, 10 at 19:20
| Terrene, days in the 90's are newsworthy here...literally, they make headlines. Everyone (but me) complains and stores sell out of fans, portable air conditioners. A nice summer coastal day is in the upper 60's. A great day might pass 70F. Very occasionally, we will get 2 or three consecutive days (maybe once, twice a summer) that are downright hot. If we reach day three of a 'heat wave' it will always fall apart by that third night and we'll sock in with fog here and be as much as 20F cooler than just 15 or 20 miles inland. I have (uncommon here) central air that is part of my heat pump system, I turned it on ONE day last summer, and that was only because DH had an early morning meeting and needed some sleep before the house could cool down. |
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| Oh my GOSH!!! My sincere apologies morz8!!!! I always thought you were a 'he' and thank-you ever so much for correcting me! 40 years, eh? I just got blind sided two weeks before Christmas and alas, another marriage of 20+years is ending. Unfortunately I will have to leave my Blue Poppies as soon as the house sells. On to other things... Gardenunusual, Nope the deers don't go for mine either. They walk right by them on a daily basis. I has also winter sown a more 'perennial' Meconopsis Lingholm last year which are not monocarpic - ie. you don't have to deadhead to keep them going year to year. Terrene, I would encourage you to try them. Your spot sounds like they would do well there. We don't get many days over 30C, but they do come in spells every now and then. There is also a huge garden of them in Quebec where they grow naturally and they do get some hot days in the summer. Their gardens are also in more sun than mine. I think the sump water helps although in the deep of summer there's no more water coming out. This garden borders on a forest mixed with maples, white paper birches, and spruces and is northeast facing. |
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| Tiffy, blindsided doesn't sound good. I'll keep you in my heart. And I'll put your name on seeds anytime you want them, I think I'd have trouble getting seedlings to you over border but seeds I can manage. And I wasn't correcting you as much as making sure I was honestly represented here, I'm not sure where the misunderstanding occured. While not a girly girl ever, I did submit my photo to the members photos to Ronald a few years ago, one that was apparently only memorable to me. And I'm winking here, and teasing.... I'm wishing you only the best, I wouldn't have tossed out the marriage comment quite so casually in describing myself to you if I'd known - I just didn't know. |
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| The M. Cambrica I am trying is Frances Perry. I bet the Muriel Brown is gorgeous. Great to know the deer avoid these. I would be devastated! Isn't there a botanical garden in Canada somewhere that grow meconopsis? Hopefully mine come up, right now I can think of three places to plant them. |
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| Butchart Gardens has quite a swath, Victoria BC but that wouldn't be one Tiffy would be close to at all. Someone more in the know of Butcharts tells me they keep a back up supply growing all the time and replace them somewhat often, rather than divide, disbud, and try to keep the plants when not in flower looking good...slugs fav. We talked about deer, did not mention slugs/snails. |
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| I started some m. betonicifolia one year and grew them on in a shaded area throughout the summer. They were nice sized by fall but did not come back after winter. They are my 2010 Solstice Leap of Faith sowing. The leap of faith is that they will become perennial for me. Hugs to you, Tiffy. I share your sadness of leaving your home and gardens as well as the breakup of your family. |
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| Sounds like they might grow here then...although they would probably need supplemental water on my well-drained, upland lot. But I'm used to that. Morz8, I remember seeing those photos somewhere. Wonder if they're still on GW? Oh dear, Tiffy. Blindsided before Xmas...so sorry. Life is really tough sometimes. |
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| First off, Tiffy I am so sorry. Been there, done that. It sucks. I have had zero luck with the blue poppies. I nursed the 3 seedlings along that sprouted and they died on me. Ugh! Think they were my "leap of faith" last year and I failed. |
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| morz8 - May I ask where you get your seed from? If these wintersown himalayans fail, I would love to be able to purchase a backup. Thanks for all of your lovely advice and passion on the meconopsis! ~ T |
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| With m. betonicifolia, Lingholm, and Hensol violet all close enough to cross pollinate and that years bloom times don't look staggered enough (not every year is exactly the same)and I'm concerned with cross pollination, I'll get fresh seeds not my own from both Plant World of Devon, and Chiltern Seeds. The germination is great, the seeds from both are clearly very well handled. Now that you've reminded me, I may even add a packet to an order I haven't placed yet. |
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| I have thought of ordering from plantworld, now that I know they're good I will keep them in mind, many thanks :) |
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| morz8 Im in z7 Arkansas ..tiffy thanks for the photo, simply beautiful |
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- Posted by morz8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 30, 10 at 0:45
| plantmasterm, there you are - I'd wondered where you went. If you followed any of the above, I'd hope if you sow the blue meconopsis you will do it treating it as an experiment and understand growing these doesn't have as much to do with the gardener as it does the climate:) Don't see it as a failure or be frustrated if they don't thrive - Arkansas is going to be warm for them in summer. |
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| I have a little stream that is active in the spring where I will plant some. My only concern there is I am not sure how much sun it gets, it might be dappled like I believe it to be. I understand the m.b. don't like the sun, my concern is them not getting any in that spot. |
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- Posted by morz8 Z8 Wa coast (My Page) on
Thu, Dec 30, 10 at 10:18
| They don't like the heat, they aren't opposed to sun in my cool summer climate which doesn't help you at all - just information I thought I'd pass along :) I can grow them in almost full sun, too much shade and I'll find powdery mildew and the foliage a mess - it stays that way because I'll spray only roses. In cool acidic, moist, rich (lots of compost) soil - they'd be happy in a dappled site. |
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| many thanks, morz8. I will definately post pics when they become plants :) |
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