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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Did you ever get your answer? I don't know how this happened to be asked in perennials 'conversations'....Growing from Seed, or Propagation forums might have been better choices.

But hollyhock will often germinate in 3-4 weeks with no moist chill. However, sometimes germination can be improved with a moist chill of about one month and it doesn't hurt the seed even if it didn't need it....so may as well start with that if you wish.

Lily of the Valley can be really, really slow to germinate. They will sometimes do best with warm moist, cold moist, cool moist periods and still can take months to sprout.
Clothers: Sow at approx. 70F for 2-4 weeks, move to 40ish for 4-6 weeks, move to slightly warmer) 50F range for germination.

In Texas, I'd sow them now and leave them outdoors, see what happens in Spring but hang on to the pots for at least a year or more.

    Bookmark     November 10, 2014 at 11:47PM
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sherrygirl zone5

I have seen no evidence of the burning bush invasive habit anywhere around where i am at. There are rural and wooded areas around here with nothing that looks like the pictures posted here. I guess the conditions here arent condusive to this plant being invasive. I see them growing in yards in the suburbs.

Sherry

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 2:02PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

Like real estate, invasive potential is all about location. What may be considered invasive in one area may very well not be in another. But going by zones is not the way to determine, nor is actually physically viewing the plant in the wild. Each state maintains a data base of invasive species and the US Forest service and various regional councils do as well. Before anyone jumps to a conclusion that a plant is or isn't invasive, check with your local authority first.

Burning bush is becoming increasingly invasive, spreading across a much wider range than when initial counts were made. It is now listed as invasive in MI,OH, WI, MN, IN, Il, MO and KS in addition to the midAtlantic and New England states. It is also encroaching southward, in NC, SC and Georgia, northern FL and along the Gulf Coast.. It has also been seen in eastern Montana.

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 2:40PM
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Kirstin Zone 5a NW Chicago

Lovely! Lilies are something I've never really thought of sowing from seed, only from bulblets. I am rethinking :)

    Bookmark     October 21, 2014 at 7:38AM
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gcclover

Hello everyone. I found this thread when googling, so I joined.

I live on the Gulf coast, mine came up in my back yard. I transplanted them to my more southern exposure front yard, and left them alone. I didn't know what to expect, they got gigantic, then all the sudden WOW. Gorgeous white trumpets.

I just picked my seed pods today. Sounds like rattlesnake rattlers. There's hundreds of them in a pod. I'll post pictures later if you would like. Curious about what to do with the 8ft tall brown stalk.

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 2:05PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Tworosz, do the stems on Bonfire stand up if I can find a less yummy spot for her. I like her because it's growth has been leafy enough you can't tell the stems are laying down. I have one spot where I put Calamintha Montrose White and there it remains at It's stated size. Would you have a picture by any chance. If she's hardy up where you are I'll try a pot with poor soil.
You really get winter up there. If I remember correctly are you on the dry plains. Was wondering if in the long run in ASK might live a longer healthier life receiving less moisture.
Thank you so much for your kind information.

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 12:11PM
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twrosz

Pattyw5, your 'BF' looks perfect to me with its natural tendency to sprawl a bit ... though, mine had done so in extreme to expose the crown with stems being broken off in times of high winds. My soil isn't particularly rich, though had been deeply dug and amended with peat moss. It was a real beauty early in the season, though I hadn't gotten around to taking a photo as intended. I later cut it back and divided and moved the pieces to a holding area to be replanted next spring in non amended soil.

Yes, we realllly get winter up here, lol. Though, just like most places, some winters are much worse than others, such as 2014. I live the rolling forested hills of central Alberta where we "generally" receive adequate rains and low humidity along with pleasant summer temps that make for very comfort gardening weather. When it comes to winter the deep blanket of snow is a life saver for my perennials and other plants.

    Bookmark     November 9, 2014 at 1:57PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

Tex, do you look at texasstormchasers.com? Thinking of ya!

    Bookmark     November 8, 2014 at 12:59AM
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TexasRanger10(7)

catkin we have lots of storm chasers around here, its a regular deal every year. Those guys love danger.

This sucker that is getting ready to barrel down on us come Tuesday is an Alien Invader, a strange phenomena caused by that typhoon, the cold air in the north is getting bullied and shoved out of its normal range by that huge mass of warm typhoon air all the way down to the south end of Texas. Most of Texas will be OK except it looks like the panhandle is going to get a hit. Oklahoma is not so lucky. As far as we are concerned, this is not normal. We are literally going to shift from summer-like weather to January in a matter of hours.

    Bookmark     November 8, 2014 at 1:27PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

Why don't you take a picture of it and show on the Name that plant forum and here. Maybe someone could ID it.

    Bookmark     November 8, 2014 at 1:18AM
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southerngardening24(7b)

I posted on the name that plant forum days ago.

    Bookmark     November 8, 2014 at 11:21AM
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gringo(z8 VA)

I certainly enjoyed them. Especially the white, with very unusual petal tips.Thank you for sharing the photos !
I don't seem to get any seeds from my 'spider' Chrysanthemums. Although they are fairly easy to propagate from rooting the cuttings of younger growth....
My 'mums are only just now starting to produce flower buds.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2014 at 3:35PM
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felisar (z5)

Truly spectacular blooms. Thank you for sharing.

    Bookmark     November 7, 2014 at 4:17PM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Interesting point, twrosz.

Guess it's all to do with money.

    Bookmark     October 30, 2014 at 10:35AM
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gringo(z8 VA)

Nice photos of the Show.
As for plant names, I had thought there are (international)rules for botanical nomenclature. The Latin binomial system for species & cv. names, for those in the horticultural trade, botanical gardens, etc..
In this way, we all know exactly which plant we are properly conversing about, (of course, taking into consideration, when labeled correctly.)
b.t.w. Moscow has a rather long history of plant collecting.

Select Seeds Antique Flowers is one source I've used, for mail ordering the 'rosebud' type...

    Bookmark     November 6, 2014 at 4:23PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Ok, now there's a realistic pic. Man, that is a beauty - that color is fantastic! It is a perennial so even if the stems die back it might return next year. If you want to be certain to have it again, take cuttings from new growth, they should root without much difficulty.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 5:04PM
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greylady_gardener(6b)

beautiful mum! absolutely take some cuttings and pot them up. I had a few pieces break off some of my mums this summer and I just stuck them in random pots. They not only rooted and grew, but they also flowered.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2014 at 2:37PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

Both appear on local lists of plants recommended for dry shade and you will find numerous references to both exhibiting significant drought tolerance once established.

Doesn't necessarily mean they will look their best under these conditions..........only that they will tolerate them well.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 11:14AM
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fireweed22

Thank you both! In my case I will do whatever I can for at least the first summer of establishment, and then hope for the best. I buried the root system deeper than I think they'd have appreciated (they both naturally creep sideways) in hopes it would allow more access to moisture.
Will have to wait and see.

Indicator plants of coastal BC... Sounds like the perfect source for info on quite a w plants I'm interested in, will look this up.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2014 at 11:05AM
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Fall perennialsSome of my fall plants
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Nice!

    Bookmark     November 1, 2014 at 6:03PM
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bellarosa(z5/IL)

i also winter sow plants. i'll have to get some of the aster seeds. i never thought to winter sow them, so this would be a first. wish me luck!

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 5:11PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

C. 'Golden Gain' is a threadleaf type with overall larger flowers (1 1/2") than the other threadleaf coreopsis that I have grown (Zagreb, Heaven's Gate, and Moonbeam.) It's a bit taller as well, growing to about 1 1/2' - 2' in my garden. The flowers are a relatively bright yellow color without orange and are held above the foliage. The petals are a bit narrower than on Mercury Rising.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 6:50AM
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grandmamaloy(7)

Any of the Big Bang coreopsis have nice big flowers and unique color options. I also discovered the Jethro Tull this past season--talk about a pretty one! They should survive the winter in Houston just fine, but be aware of the moisture level. I would still mulch to retain moisture and if you go a month without it, I would give them some water. I'm also thinking you will want to cut them back in late December or early January to allow for dormancy before they spring back to life in March/April. I LOVE these wildflowers! Hope this helps.

Here is a link that might be useful: Coreopsis varieties you might want to look at

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 11:21AM
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Nereida

i LIVE IN A MOBILE PARK I HAVE LILAC BUSH, SOME KNOCKOUT ROSES, SOME OTHER PERINNALS i PLAN TO DIG THEM UP AND TAKE THEM. The only problem is I might have to olant them in containers. Will they survive winter in these containers. I also ordered some others for my garden, and I cant't plant them, can I put them in pots, till later.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2014 at 7:58PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

Nereida your post leaves too many questions, such as where are you and what is your winter like? How big are your plants, and how long will they be in containers? Al

    Bookmark     November 5, 2014 at 10:40AM
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opheliathornvt zone 5

My Stella D'Oro has no green leaves, but 5 or 6 full blooms right now. We haven't had a hard frost yet.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2014 at 9:39AM
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southerngardening24(7b)

I purchased a few fans of moonlit masquerade recently. Can't wait to see them bloom. Hopefully you will see yours bloom before the frost and if you do please post a pic.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2014 at 8:06PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Do you grow meconopsis, GardenGal? Exercise in futility is on the button there (having tried....and failed more times than I wish to publicly confess). Almost a reason to move to Scotland.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2014 at 4:41PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

The blue ones, no. Far too fussy for my taste. Tried 'em from seed...no joy there. Already started plants are hard to find and tend to be much more monocarpic than I'd like for the effort and the expense. I've done Meconopsis paniculata for its great foliage and didn't mind if it didn't bloom much. But in general, not long lived plants at all. Even Butchart's Garden grows them as annual bedding plants, starting and planting out a new crop each year.

Except for Meconopsis cambrica, which was a flipping weed in my old garden. And maybe the least appealing species of the genus.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2014 at 5:22PM
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