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EdH_1979

Thank you both for your responses.

    Bookmark     October 7, 2014 at 8:05AM
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singleton165(z5 NH Seacoast)

Good luck, Ed. I used to have a couple and they dropped all their leaves when they were moved (to inside or out), so don't fret if they do, but I didn't have enough sunlight inside to keep them healthy in the winter. My MIL had a bay window that was perfect and hers bloomed all year round (grumble, grumble).

    Bookmark     October 17, 2014 at 7:04AM
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lethean46

Yes. I have had a faux bois bench sitting on a cement pad(brutal western exposure) for about 8 years. A 20 ft high sweetbay magnolia grows just behind the bench. The bench has had no winter protection, and it is fine so far.

I have always intended to buy a cover from the vendor. They do sell them. (I forget the vendor's name.)

Interestingly. Faux bois disintegrates over time in salt air. I've seen benches in nursery gardens on the east coast of FL with the iron frame partially exposed. The nursery told me that that happens in salt air.

You might try calling the vendor once you find a bench that you like and ask them your question.

I really really like the look of my faux bois bench.

lethean

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 10:14PM
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    Bookmark     October 16, 2014 at 6:01PM
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Campanula UK Z8

copied from reply in native forum (dimwit, that I am)

Ah yes, we have summat similar (called roottrainers, they are basically long plugs with little internal flanges to encourage downward growth)....but, given a deep enough container, roots will always grow down (they are sensitive to gravity) so I have used newspaper or cardboard, rolled in a tube, sitting in 24cell tray modules, but only for station sowing largeish seeds. Mostly, I use large deep pots and just upend them to separate the seedlings. I usually only sow a couple of thousand seeds over a season but have ramped it up considerably so will have to much more sowing in situ in nursery beds.
I find sowing in plugs or modules to be fairly stressful and largely abandonned it because it was easier to keep the soil uniformly moist (or dry) with larger pots....but if I was sowing, say 100 sweet peas, a set-up like that, Tex, is just the ticket.

I often use 5 litre, 10inch deep pots, plant 100 seeds in each and when I come to turn the pot out, the roots grow all the way to the bottom and generally fill the pot, but they separate really easily, leaving long roots - I use a bulb-planter (for crocus and snowdrops, so only 1inch diameter tube) - I am not keen on dibbers because I think they compact the soil. I can race through planting 100 plugs in no time - almost a bit of a swizz after all that time nurturing the little seedlings in pots.

True, Greenheart - how lucky am I?

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 6:25PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

Yes GH, I will wait! It'll be difficult, though. I want to plant something else there!

Camp, your land is pretty! Thanks for sharing!

The roots I'm referring to are underground and not particularly big around, just plentiful in places.

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 11:54PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Thanks for the help everyone.

I am not sure how long it has been in bloom but it looks beautiful right now...lots of pollenators on it also....a very happy looking plant.

Given that it is in full bloom in mid October, I can imagine years when it might have fallen to an early October frost :(.

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 8:06AM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

Mine continues to bloom through light frosts without any damage. I cut the blooms off before they fully go to the fluffy seed stage to keep reseeding to a minimum but leave the foliage which turns light yellow. There are several plants in the clump with some blooming a bit later making for a long bloom display.

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 1:27PM
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bellafiore

thank you everyone for your responses.
i'm planting my plants for sure!

    Bookmark     October 14, 2014 at 6:25PM
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grandmamaloy(7)

You should have plenty of time, but you never know with Momma Nature. :) I would mulch well around all of them and make sure to cut your hostas and daylilies down to the ground after the first frost, moving the mulch over the top of the plant. For the shrubs, if it appears you will have ice or really frigid, drying wind, I would make sure to have some plant covers on hand. (I always keep some handy, but make sure to take them off when you have sunny, less frigid days again) Snow, of course, will insulate, but new shrubs are susceptible to winter kill with hard frosts, ice and really cold temperatures without the snow. Have fun! I love planting this time of year!

Here is a link that might be useful: Plant covers for your shrubs

    Bookmark     October 15, 2014 at 10:34AM
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TexasRanger10(7)

I really don't know what I would do if I didn't have a current plant obsession. I mean, I would probably get to fuming and obsessing about the people who get on my nerves or bug the heck out of me, the latest slight, either real or imagined, makes no difference, to my person or some other negative circular thinking pattern like that. Or, it would be some song that I can't get out of my head or the worst -- the fear of aging, nursing homes or not being able to pay my bills when I reach that really decrepit state and other cheerful stuff like that, the late night horror type "what if" sort of things. Plant obsessions fill in these nasty voids that would be filled by things along these lines, no doubt.

I have had several serious phases

Obviously there was the Cactus Phase.
The SW native shrub phase
Native Grass phase #1
Native forbs phase
Native Grass phase #2
Replace that stuff I got rid of, I now want if back phase
Lantana phase
Prairie phase resulting in Native Grass phase # 3, the one I am currently in.

Still I WANT THAT BLUE EPHEDRA BAD.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2014 at 6:57PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

Campanula , the tazmanian devil of the plant world or would you rather be a whirling dervish.. LOL My sister grows angelicas in Alaska. Beware, They take over when your back is turned.. She was off sailing the Med researching fishing cultures of the Medeterenian and when she returned home, her garden was an alaskan jungle when it broke dormancy. She had some serious hacking to do, this first summer home in three years. She would always get home after the first snow and leave in February so she never saw ground..

    Bookmark     October 14, 2014 at 9:07PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

does not appear overloaded with humus-ey material despite 50 years of annual leaf-fall

I am often puzzled by this phenomenon ie an abundance of leaves but not correspondingly rich soil.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2014 at 6:20AM
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arbo_retum(z5 ,WinchstrMA)

Me too.
mindy

    Bookmark     October 14, 2014 at 1:15PM
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boothbay(7)

I decided to remove my Hydrangea "Bombshell" from the barrel and plant the "Laurel: in its place. But before i do, I would like some suggestions on how to fill that half barrel to a weight that would make it easier to move, if and when necessary. Now, the Hydrangea was filled with potting soil, covered with small stones and then mulched. I'm halfway emptying it now. I was thinking at least a quarter fill of small pellets of foam and the rest of dirt.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 6:52PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Could you consider using castors or some other mobile platform to sit the pot on? One of the reasons for using a larger pot is to have a deeper rooting space and moisture reservoir. Filling too ,much space with inert but light material can defeat the purpose of going for a bigger pot. You ,might find mixing perlite or vermiculite throughout the potting mix, creates a less dense (and therefore lighter mix) while maintaining consistency throughout....which is always better for roots....and having sufficient drainage holes in the bottom of the pot.
There are also various pros and cons regarding the material of the pot itself (I prefer terracotta over plastic but there arguments for both, while timber planters, lined and treated ticks all the boxes. Maybe ask over on container gardening.....where they employ all sorts of cunning ruses such as wicking, special mixes, capillary tubes and so forth.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 7:16PM
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grandmamaloy(7)

I haven't grown that particular cultivar, but have had great luck with Amber Waves and Southern Comfort. As long as you are in zones 4 through 9, they will grow as a perennial. They prefer moist soil and can grow in full sun to partial shade, though my experience is they prefer less, rather than more sun. If you are asking about care, for this first season, I would mulch well to retain moisture. They have fairly shallow roots, so are susceptible to winter kill in harsh conditions, such as dry, freezing wind. Snow is actually a good thing; it will act to protect the roots and will provide long-term moisture as the snow next to the plant melts. If you have a really dry fall or winter, you'll want to water the plant once a month or so, as the weather allows. In the spring, be patient. They aren't one of the first to emerge. I hope this helps.

Here is a link that might be useful: Heuchera Plant Care

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 6:56PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

I think hummid heat, alkalinity and lack of water. I really can not irrigate much in my situation . Maybe I should just try and see if I can kill it. Maybe I will be pleasantly surprised by failure.

    Bookmark     October 11, 2014 at 6:52AM
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emmarene

I live in an area in California that is often above 100 degrees Fahrenheit which is 37.7 to you. I have seen Echium Pride of Madera and Echium Tower of Jewels succeed in my town, though I have not tried it myself. The garden that had the Maderia was uniformly filtered light due to a number of old Oak trees. The Jewels was in an area that only got morning sun. It is on my list of plants to try but I can never think where I could put one as they get so large. If either of you get one I would love to hear about it.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 6:14PM
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Kirstin Zone 5a NW Chicago

I was researching a problem for a friend last week. She purchased a Red Maple a few years ago, and it has struggled with chlorosis since being planted. Turns out that Red Maples struggle with uptaking Magnesium in alkaline soils like we have here near Chicago (Mine is in the 7.2 range). I passed along to her my Hort professor's suggestion, which I will also share with you--the most cost effective, natural, and longest-lasting way to manage this situation is to use an acidifying mulch. For example, a mulch of pine needles, which would break down slowly and help temper the high alkalinity over time. It is far easier to moderate acidity in soils than to moderate alkalinity, as sulpher is very transient and leaves the soil fairly quickly. If your plants aren't showing any signs of stress that could be related to the alkalinity, I wouldn't recommend spending the extra money Hollytone.

    Bookmark     October 12, 2014 at 8:15PM
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jayco(5b NY)

Hi Ellessbee, welcome to the Hudson Valley! I wouldn't be at all sure your soil is alkaline -- I would send a soil sample to the Cornell Cooperative Extension for a proper analysis. I believe it's free. They also may have info regarding local garden events or clubs. You might also try the Hudson Valley Garden Association. But another good thing to do is to go around your local neighborhood and when you see a nice garden, try to talk to the gardener about what they've had good luck with. Most gardeners love to share! I am actually not very close to you, so I'm not sure my local info would be helpful, unless you want to drive up to New Paltz... In which case I'd be glad to give some local advice. :)

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 5:45PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

Tree--Yay! But I may be wrong!

I've been trying to ID a similar plant in my garden since Spring. I was under the impression I'd left the nursery without the tag.

I read a post by EricOH which helped me out. Thought I had a Heliantuhs salicifolius 'First Light'--which someone said should be named *Last Light* because it blooms so late. BUT.....

I was on the outside of the fence on the bank weeding today and noticed a tag sticking out of the back of the planting hole (obscured behind the plant from inside the fence). The only time I'm out there is a couple of times a year to weed so I didn't notice it as the foliage is thick at the base.

My plant is Helianthus angustifolius 'Gold Lace'!

So...which is yours? LOL!

Glad to help you get closer!

    Bookmark     October 12, 2014 at 10:39PM
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silvergoldenrod

Looks kind of like a daisy.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2014 at 4:31PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

LOL!! I guess you don't go by "campanula" for nothing!!

Very nice listing, but IME, few of these species are very often found at retail nurseries in this country. Birch Hybrid and the clips/Carpatian, yes, but most of the others would require a souce that specializes in alpines or the genus itself. Otherwise, it is the Serbo-Croatian gang listed above and the usual....glomerata, persicfolia, punctata and a bunch of overly aggressive thugs. I think you just must have a much wider range of choices for this plant in the UK.

    Bookmark     October 8, 2014 at 8:44PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

Sorry so late getting back--lots of outdoor activities going on around here!

Thanks for the suggestions everyone! They will all be added to my *Look Up* lists (Winter garden therapy).

Yes, there are so many plants that I read about but aren't available in the US.

I like the sounds of the Camps that travel but that can be pulled out easily--just why I posted this--unlike the takesimanas--which have a habit I'm trying to avoid!

    Bookmark     October 11, 2014 at 11:25PM
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southerngardening24(7b)

What was I thinking buying all those mums? I just can't shear them down and risk cutting off any new buds. The joy of mums!

    Bookmark     October 11, 2014 at 8:28PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

Slugs have deadheaded some of mine for me but I'm not sure how many thumbs they used! :winkwink:

    Bookmark     October 11, 2014 at 10:44PM
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dbarron(z7_Arkansas)

Almost identical the typical white ones that I see blooming in the fencerows here. I think flopping is pretty much their nature, but boy do they put on the mid fall flowers.

    Bookmark     October 9, 2014 at 8:18AM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

I have the heath asters getting ready for their show here. I am interested by this plant. I like the floppiness. I wonder if their toughness is connected to where this variety was found and what it was hybridized with. My heath aster is a spreader. I don't mind that since I have a large garden. I found myself with fingerer hovering over the ADD TO CART button earlier this spring.

I also like those brown walls that look like rammed dirt, but I doubt they are since I would imagine that an unprotected rammed earth would end up as a pile of mud in Switzerland .

    Bookmark     October 11, 2014 at 11:15AM
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